Posts by ThomasCovenant

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What Works Best on Exposing JW's? All of the above....

by AllTimeJeff in

there are some days when i log in here and because of my own views on governing body dogma (which is, its a big smelly stinky wet pile of shit), i find myself writing essays about subjects concerning how nutty their doctrines really are, how weak they are.

so i do these expose's and at the end of it, i feel better, because i know, (i know!

) that the governing body are cynical liars, and that their doctrine is total crap.. i know this is good for those who actually care enough to take up the gb on its offer to "study the deeper things", might question what they find, and want some other info... thats how it started with me.... lately however..... this other way, where you simply mock jw's.... when i first came here, i was pretty sensitive to that.

ThomasCovenant

So very well put by Qcmbr

..... and all other 'believers' don't know that they are right they simply believe they are. Belief cannot be exposed and can rarely be reasoned with since belief by its very nature is our human response to a lack of evidence but it can be dislodged if it is constantly brought face to face with its cause and questioned therein.

Those outside the watchtower can see easily that it is built on nothing substantial beyond clan bonding, nothing remotely factual and is in fact - like all religions - a form of cage or social constraint - but for those within the cage looking outwards it is almost impossible to conceive that they are mentally trapped

and instead see the very bars that constrain them as in reality part of the cage that entraps those outside; as a caged animal at a zoo may percieve the human visitors as caged so the believer thinks they are free and unencumbered and all others just haven't realised yet.

To expose the cage one must merely hold up a large enough mirror. To expose the watchtower or any false system just hold up the mirror. My mirror was held up - inadvertantly -by a good friend who left my belief system and finally allowed myself to ask - and face the question - what are my beliefs actually based upon? Once I was brutally honest with myself I found my cage door wasn't even locked.

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DNCall Unmasked - Part 3 of 5

by DNCall in

jw
friends

startfragment.

by the 1990s it became necessary for me to seek work outside of music.

barbara, who had to help support our family in the mid-1980s, was working as a legal secretary and suggested i consider doing the same.

ThomasCovenant

Thank you

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DNCall Unmasked - Part 4 of 5

by DNCall in

jw
friends

startfragment.

even though i didnt have the title of elder, i was still active in my work at bethel and the congregation used me as much as possible.

when the congregation recommended that i once again serve as an elder, one elder raised the objection that that barbara was a low-hour publisher.

ThomasCovenant

If ever there was a case for extending posting limits this is it.

Thank you for a very interesting account.

Whilst I don't share your renewed/continued faith in the Bible I do appreciate what you say.

Best wishes for your future.

Thomas Covenant

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District Convention 2009 Complete Audio Recording. Why not for general distribution?

by ThomasCovenant in

jw
friends

i have a complete recording of the 2009 district convention.

at the beginning, the speaker says that if you do record the convention, you are not to use it for general distribution.. why not?.

if the assembly is a public event why not get it around as much as possible?.

ThomasCovenant

Besty--Thanks. Will do

fokyc---It is the Cardiff one I have too. So looks like I don't need to post it on the web. Already done.

Just spotted it's drama only. I'll give Password Protected a buzz.

I'm sitting listening to it. How different the talks seem when you can listen to them outside the brainwashing atmosphere of the convention.

It is so regimented and scripted and false it hurts.

Thomas Covenant

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District Convention 2009 Complete Audio Recording. Why not for general distribution?

by ThomasCovenant in

jw
friends

i have a complete recording of the 2009 district convention.

at the beginning, the speaker says that if you do record the convention, you are not to use it for general distribution.. why not?.

if the assembly is a public event why not get it around as much as possible?.

ThomasCovenant

For Shepherd Book.

This was said by the Chairman immediately prior to announcing the opening song No 174 and prayer;

'We would also like to direct that any recordings of this program should be for your personal use or for the benefit of those unable to attend.

Recordings should not be made available for general circulation or distribution.'

I don't know how to go about making the whole recording available for all those unable to attend, ie the 99.9% of mankind who didn't hear it.

I don't know if the recordings are already on the net but I'm happy to oblige if anyone can advise me.

Thomas Covenant

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District Convention 2009 Complete Audio Recording. Why not for general distribution?

by ThomasCovenant in

jw
friends

i have a complete recording of the 2009 district convention.

at the beginning, the speaker says that if you do record the convention, you are not to use it for general distribution.. why not?.

if the assembly is a public event why not get it around as much as possible?.

ThomasCovenant

Hi

I have a complete recording of the 2009 District Convention.

At the beginning, the speaker says that if you do record the convention, you are not to use it for general distribution.

Why not?

If the assembly is a public event why not get it around as much as possible?

Has anyone asked Bethel the reason?

Thanks

Thomas Covenant

PS. I'm making my way through it. It's great.

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Second half of Judicial recordings!!!!! Podcast 10

by Hobo Ken in

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friends

this the second half of the judicial committee meeting with the elders in which the decision is taken to "disfellowship" me.

the reasons are given at the end of the meeting.

here is the link to the audio podcast 10. here is the link to the webpage which you can leave comments on if you wish death or obedience.

ThomasCovenant

Thank you for posting your experiences.

I have listened to all the recordings.

Thomas Covenant

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Jesus let me down! I can no longer trust anything he says.

by ThomasCovenant in

watchtower 1980 15th october questions from readers.

''we can be happy, therefore, for jesus assurance.

that there will be survivors of the generation of 1914. that this generation will not have completely passed away.

ThomasCovenant

It seems to me that either Jesus was having me on or the Watchtower was.

I would like to use this quote next time I speak to a Witness to show why I stopped going to meetings.

But I would stress to them that it was my faith in Jesus that was lost because he lied to me

not my faith in the Society who would never have got this wrong and would never lie to me.

They can't have it both ways.

Either Jesus was wrong or the WT was.

Which is it brother?

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how are the dubs reacting to swine flu?

by highdose in

i'm just curious as the offical govement advice about swine flu is to stay away from public areas if poss and if you have swine flu to stay from everyone full stop!.

but my experiance of jw's is that they would go to the hall wether they were infectious or not.

many is the time i've sat behind someone coughing or spluttering away!

ThomasCovenant

I would guess many of them are thinking ''Great, I'd better catch that soon before all the other brothers get it''

In my old congregation many had over active thyroids.

Many others had under active thyroids.

M.E. was also very popular several years ago.

I think diabetes and Crohns disease is moving up the charts along with gall stones.

Round these here parts I think the dubs love it.

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Jesus let me down! I can no longer trust anything he says.

by ThomasCovenant in

watchtower 1980 15th october questions from readers.

''we can be happy, therefore, for jesus assurance.

that there will be survivors of the generation of 1914. that this generation will not have completely passed away.

ThomasCovenant

Watchtower 1980 15th October Questions from Readers

''We can be happy, therefore, for Jesus’ assurance

that there will be survivors of “the generation of 1914”—

that this generation will not have completely passed away—

when the “great tribulation” rings down the curtain on this wicked world system''

Jesus assured me it was the literal generation of 1914.

Now I can no longer put my faith in anything he says.

Either that or the Watchtower messed up.