Posts by ThomasCovenant

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Do You Folks Wanna Hear My Story?

by Farkel in

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i've already written "my story".

i've been "out" for 35 years.

but that is not a story that contains the little stuff.

ThomasCovenant

''given my age and the context of those stories in an other generation''

Don't you know? We're all one big happy overlapping generation anyway so yes please.

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Can anyone ask to see the congregation or assembly accounts report?

by ThomasCovenant in

from memory once a month someone would read out the accounts report from the platform.

this usually said how much went in, how much went out and what the balance was.

details were given as to utility bills etc.. at circuit and district assemblies no details were given, apart from the fact that we were always in a deficit by the sunday lunchtime.. has anyone asked or can anyone ask to see the details?

ThomasCovenant

From memory once a month someone would read out the accounts report from the platform. This usually said how much went in, how much went out and what the balance was. Details were given as to utility bills etc.

At Circuit and District Assemblies no details were given, apart from the fact that we were always in a deficit by the Sunday lunchtime.

Has anyone asked or can anyone ask to see the details? I believe at a local congregation level this wouldn't be too difficult although it probably wouldn't be viewed kindly.

However, if you asked at the end of an assembly I doubt if the answer would be positive.

If you are a member of a local congregation then maybe you are entitled to have access but what about being a member of an assembly who contributes to that assembly? Are you still entitled to see the accounts report for that particular assembly?

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Attention Lurkers- Consider the effectiveness of your lifesaving work

by stuckinamovement in

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hypothetical scenario.

you are a city manager in a major metropolitan city with a population of 3,000,000.. .

if the governing body was truly convinced themselves of the impending disaster and the fact that the end is imminent would they not focus their efforts in spreading the message through effective means such as telephone, television, internet, social networks etc?

ThomasCovenant

Thank you very much stuckinamovement.

That was excellent.

When it is put like that there is no way not to see the futility of it all. It seems to me that any Witness that couldn't see it would be a very proud person. Cognitive dissonance gives them some leeway in their denial but I think that pride is what would stop them admitting that it's all shite.

Following on with the analogy, the City Manager would at best be charged with incompetence and lose his job. At worst he would probably be lynched.

What, though, about the 3,000 employees?

They would have also known nearly all the facts of the terrorist attack. Would any of them use their heads and try and spread the warning via other more practical methods? Because of their prior knowledge they took their own precautions to make sure they didn't suffer from the contaminated water. Because they didn't want to lose their jobs they carried out the bosses orders on how to warn others.

How would you feel about the 3,000 employees?

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What Are Some Stupid Things JW's Ban

by Pig in

i wanted to make a dramatic video to remind jw's to be faithful in what is least.. i need as many things as possible, each will only get a few seconds each but it will speed up until the things arent visable to the naked eye and it will end with a spining grinning satan head.

huh, i know it's nuts but trust me it wil work.. these are the types of things i'm looking for.

april fools day.

ThomasCovenant

I should have said that it wasn't my compilation. Typed in ''things jehovahs witnesses cannot do'' into the great Google.

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What Are Some Stupid Things JW's Ban

by Pig in

i wanted to make a dramatic video to remind jw's to be faithful in what is least.. i need as many things as possible, each will only get a few seconds each but it will speed up until the things arent visable to the naked eye and it will end with a spining grinning satan head.

huh, i know it's nuts but trust me it wil work.. these are the types of things i'm looking for.

april fools day.

ThomasCovenant

Celebrate Mother's Day
Celebrate Father's Day
Celebrate Grandparent's Day
Celebrate Birthdays
Celebrate Thanksgiving
Celebrate New Year's Eve or Day
Celebrate Christmas
Celebrate Halloween
Celebrate Easter
Celebrate Flag Day
Celebrate Independence Day (Fourth of July)
Celebrate Hanukkah
Celebrate St. Patrick's Day
Celebrate Valentine's Day
Celebrate "Any" Holiday
Sing any Holiday Songs
Eat Turkey on Thanksgiving
Create Holiday artwork in school
Join the Boy Scouts
Join the Girl Scouts
Buy Girl Scout Cookies
Become a Cheerleader
Attend class reunions (No "Worldly" association)
Go to the school prom
Play School Sports (No competition allowed)
Play Professional Sports
Join any organization that has ties to Christianity
Shop at the Salvation Army
Volunteer for the Salvation Army
Donate to Relief Organizations like the Red Cross, Salvation Army, Charities and more
Shop at Church run thrift stores
Shop at Church Garage Sales
Shop at any Store that has Christian ties
Contribute to the Red Cross
Attend a Church School
Join the YMCA
Join the Military
Become a Police Officer
Attend Alcoholics Anonymous
Have any job with a gun
Strike against a Company
Salute the Flag
Can't Stand at Public Events while others are Standing to salute the Flag
Sing the National Anthem
Go to War
Wear Clothing Associated with War; e.g. Combats or Army Tops
Learn karate
Vote (Conscience matter now to please Governments, you will be ostracized if you do)
Run for any Public Office
Campaign for a Candidate
Contribute to the Presidential Campaign Fund on your tax return
Can join union, but not participate in its affairs
Run for class president
Join Sororities or Fraternities
Participate in holiday parties at school
Buy lottery tickets
Gamble
Play Bingo
Can't buy a raffle ticket
Date without supervision - young or old
Watch R rated movies
Cannot work on another Church if it's a regular customer
Own a religious picture or statue
Smoke cigarettes, pipes or a cigars
Sell cigarettes, pipes or a cigars
Accept Blood
Donate Blood
Store your own blood before an operation
Wear blue jeans or casual clothes to the Kingdom Hall
Wear pants to the Kingdom Hall if you are a female
Wear skirts or dresses that are above the knee at any time
Wear any type of long hair if you are a man
Wear a beard in some Kingdom Halls and areas (judged hard)
Pierce ears if male, other body parts if female
Have any tattoos
Say curse words
Can't be hypnotized
Get divorced unless scriptural (adultery or fornication is committed by one partner) if you do divorce cannot remarry unless ex fornicates first
Toast drinks (pagan origin)
Throw rice at a wedding (pagan origin)
Say "Bless You" when someone sneezes
Say "Good Luck!", "Wish me Luck", "I was Lucky" or "You were Lucky"
Tell ghost stories
Practice Yoga
Own a Smurf
Eat Lucky Charms Cereal (References to Magical)
Throw a penny into a wishing well
Read Horoscopes
Promote anything Superstitious
Have wind charms because they represent a pagan symbol for scaring away demons
Watch TV shows, "Sabrina, the Teenage Witch", "Touched by an Angel", or "Bewitched"
Say "It was fate" or mention anything to do with "fate"
Engage in any risky acts such as: Sky Diving, Bungie Jumping & Hang Gliding
Have Jesus as your Mediator and Savior
Can't partake in the Memorial of Jesus' death, by eating the unleavened bread or drinking the wine; only allowed if you are from the elite group of the 144,000
A woman can't hold a position of responsibility in the congregation
Wear or own a Cross
Attend another Church (Spiritual Fornication)
Associate on a regular basis with nonbelievers
Associate with ex-members
Associate with disfellowshipped ones
Talk with disfellowshipped ones
Sue another Jehovah's Witness
Marry a nonbeliever (If you do, you are judged hard by the congregation)
Marry in another Church or attend a wedding in another Church
Have a funeral in another Church or attend a funeral in another Church
Pray, including holding your head down, when a nonbeliever prays
Study other religious articles not from the Society
Read negative information about the Society
Question the Watchtower Society on anything
Exercise your on conscience if it goes against the religion
Question the Society or the Organization
Have Christian freedom
If you are a woman you can't pray aloud in the presence of men, without a covering on your head
If you are sick and need alternative medical help you can't get illegal medicines from another country
Become a Jehovah's Witness and you shouldn't....
.... if you do you will be looked down upon

Discuss politics
Surf too much on the Internet
Attend social functions organized by your place of work
Associate with worldly neighbors
Attend College (The Society has lightened up on this somewhat, but if you attend you are not putting Kingdom interests first, and will be judged.)
Play Chess
Go to Nightclubs
Own a Gun
Read philosophy, sociology, psychology; these are discouraged as non spiritual food
JWs are discouraged from seeking psychological help from psychiatrists, psycho-therapists, and psychologists because they give "worldly" advice according to the WTBTS.
Become a Jehovah's Witness and you have to....

Must be baptized into the organization
Attend several regular meetings each week
Go out in field service regularly to recruit new members
Report your field service activity to the congregation each month
Attend regular scheduled conventions
Give talks at the congregation (whether young or old, male or female)
Read and fully understand their teachings
Prepare for each meeting
Participate in the meetings
Study with family
Use Theocratic Warfare (War Strategy) - To lie or to hide the truth to a non-JW for protection of the Organization
Fully accept the Watchtower's authority and rules (no exceptions)
Dress according to their rules at the Kingdom Halls, Service and conventions (no exceptions)

Women and small girls must wear dresses
Men must wear dress pants with dress shirts and ties
Associate only with fellow members
Report on fellow members including your family, if they are caught doing something against Society's rules
You have to sing at the meetings (even if you have a bad voice) - or you are looked down upon
Women must be in full submission to their husbands

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New Beginnings!!!!

by JWFreak in

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well things have changed big time for me.

on the 3rd of dec. finally, i have left my work at bethel and moved almost 500 kilometres away to a new life.. some of you were aware of my work in a european branch, and have kept my confidence.

for this i am eternally grateful...you know who you are.. the huge weight that has been taken off my shoulders is both a comfort and a relief.. when i settle into my new home properly, i intend to write some memoirs of life at the branch, hoping that others will find it of interest.. for now my future is for the first time uncertain and that makes it very very exciting, but i am no longer under the control of others yay!!.

ThomasCovenant

Thanks for your postings and inside info, and I look forward to your 'memoirs'.

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If Armageddon comes on a Tuesday......

by ThomasCovenant in

does it mean that all the people who die on the monday will be resurrected on wednesday, whereas those who die on the tuesday are dead forever?.

in practice, isn't this the jw belief?.

therefore, every death now, prior to the 'imminent' armageddon, is really a blessing in disguise..

ThomasCovenant

Does it mean that all the people who die on the Monday will be resurrected on Wednesday, whereas those who die on the Tuesday are dead forever?

In practice, isn't this the JW belief?

Therefore, every death now, prior to the 'imminent' Armageddon, is really a blessing in disguise.

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Taking legal action against the JWs for DFing??? Need serious advice

by 2pink in

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i posted a thread a bit earlier about our impending judicial committee/dfing for celebrating "false religious holidays".

they have seen decor on the outside of our house, so i guess that is their "evidence" that we engage in false religion now!

my husband and i have talked and are serious about taking legal action against the jws if they try to df us against our will.

ThomasCovenant

How about reminding the elders that you know where they live and work?

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To those who believe in an afterlife reward, what is the big deal about death?

by ThomasCovenant in

muslims and christians, and probably most other religions i suspect, seem to believe in a happy afterlife which is inevitably better and longer lasting than this one on earth.

so what is wrong with dying and death here now?

why the terrible grief at the death of loved ones?

ThomasCovenant

Muslims and Christians, and probably most other religions I suspect, seem to believe in a happy afterlife which is inevitably better and longer lasting than this one on Earth.

So what is wrong with dying and death here now? Why the terrible grief at the death of loved ones? Surely when the policeman knocks on the door to inform such ones that a relative has just been killed in a vehicle accident that believer should leap for joy.

Admittedly there may be sadness at the fact that one is no longer able to share this life with the deceased, but it pales into absolute barely worth mentioning insignificance at the overwhelming reward the deceased is now partaking of. (Assuming, of course, that the deceased hasn't ended up in that bad place reserved for bad people. Funnily enough, I can't recall any funeral mentioning this little alternative destination.)

If my life was to consist of one week of working followed by fifty one weeks in a paradise island holiday and then someone said I can leave work after only two days and go straight to my hols I'd be overjoyed. I'd certainly be happily envious of any work colleagues that got this perk before me.

If my life was to consist of 70 years of earth life followed by eternity in a paradise and then someone said I can leave earth after only 20 years and go straight to my paradise I'd be overjoyed. I'd certainly be happily envious of any earth colleagues that got this perk before me.

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Got a letter inviting me to my Judicial hearing- should I go?

by hoggieman in

hey everyone, my family and i have not gone to meeting in over a year.

rumors have swirled about us, but i have always dodged the elders calls and never said anything about my feelings.

so after a while the calls/visits dwindled, but in october they came by again and saw our halloween decorations.

ThomasCovenant

Or you could say,

''If you are going to threaten my lifestyle in any way then please rest assured I am going to threaten your lifestyles. We all know where each other live.''

If it was going to jeopardize a relationship with still in parents, ie the parents would then feel pressured to not have dealings with the disfellowshipped relative, then one may feel entitled to threaten to disrupt the lives of the elders concerned.

I'm just saying.