Posts by ThomasCovenant

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suicide and wts funeral rules

by diamondiiz in

i just found out that a husband of an old friend committed a suicide and i was wondering if there are any letters to elders or any wts rules concerning funerals for those who committed suicide.

i've looked in the elders book and letters to boe index and didn't find anything.

some posts here say they can have the funeral at the kh and some here said they couldn't hold it there because suicide was involved.

Having never been associated with the truth, the suicide was ignorant and became guilty of a crime that many other persons have become guilty of in ignorance, even to the committing of murder of another person.

His standing depends upon whether he is susceptible to the ransom sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. Jehovah decides from reading the suicide's heart whether he is still susceptible to the provision of the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ and whether he will be called out of the memorial tomb by the reigning King, Jesus Christ.

He may have an opportunity for life in the new world.

So nothing definite may be stated at the funeral in the way of a promise concerning the future life of the suicide. Just the same, an effective witness can be given to all those who gather together for the funeral service, the people who knew the suicide.

The principles of Christian truth can be stated, and whatever comfort the bereaved ones may take from the statement of Christian principles as affecting even the suicide they may do so after hearing the funeral sermon

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suicide and wts funeral rules

by diamondiiz in

i just found out that a husband of an old friend committed a suicide and i was wondering if there are any letters to elders or any wts rules concerning funerals for those who committed suicide.

i've looked in the elders book and letters to boe index and didn't find anything.

some posts here say they can have the funeral at the kh and some here said they couldn't hold it there because suicide was involved.

ThomasCovenant

Don't know if these answer your query:

WT 15th July 1959

? Is it proper for a brother to conduct the funeral service of an individual who was never associated with Jehovah's witnesses and who committed suicide?-K. L., U.S.A.

This all depends on the conscientious attitude of the brother in the truth who may be requested to perform the funeral service. If his conscience revolts against the thought because of self-murder, then he should not violate his conscience by performing the ceremony. If another capable brother feels that he can conscientiously do so, there is no objection to his doing so. Whereas he cannot preach the suicide into heaven or even hold forth Scriptural promises that the suicide will have an opportunity for life in the new world, and although he does not condone the suicide, yet he appreciates that the holding of a funeral service affords a marvelous opportunity to give a witness to God's kingdom and the blessings that it will bring to mankind, including the resurrection of the dead.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 04-03-2011 WT Study (TRIAL)

by blondie in

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face persecution?.

helped to resist peer pressure.

(a) why can we expect to face trials and.

ThomasCovenant

Thank you Blondie once again.

para 16 Roxana

''she reflected on the
fact that God had provided for her spiritually
at the convention, so he could surely also
provide for her physically''

Sounds a bit of a cheek really. Yes I've been to the assembly so now provide me with a job.

Reminds me of Alan Partridge asking for another TV series from the Chief Commissioning Editor of the BBC .

''Give me another series you shit''

I watched Louis Theroux's revisit to the Westboro Baptist Church on BBC2 last night and now I'm convinced they must be the true religion because Jesus said his followers would be objects of hatred because of him and I sure do hate them.

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Westboro Church Update on BBC

by cofty in

right now there is a documentary on the bbc about louis theroux' second visit to the infamous phelps family.

it's a follow up to a similar documentary four years ago.. a considerable number of members have left in the last few years while the cult has become even more extreme.

louis has just interviewed young woman who has got out and started nursing.

ThomasCovenant

Watched it last night, and the first visit Louis Theroux did a few years back. I cannot understand how no one has made any successful attempt at a firebombing or at least a drive by shooting. Maybe the US is more peaceful than Hollywood teaches us.

Somehow I don't think they would have been as successful if the grandaddy leader Phelps had set up shop in 1970's Northern Ireland. A quick knee capping may have tempererd his aggression.

As Cofty says though, they are similar to JW's in their belief that everyone else is going to die except them, but no longer have the balls to say it as it is.

Unfortunately, I consider that when all is said and done ALL religious people on this planet are basically the same as Westboro Baptist Church.

''We are right, everyone else is wrong. And thank God, Yahweh, Allah that Hell will prove us right.''

The nicer religious people add

''We'd love for you to join us: (but if you don't, you're toast).''

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Hi, new to this forum. Figured I'd let everyone know about my story before I got involved.

by JonathanH in

if you just want the juicy details where i leave, i'll make disclaimer where it begins, if you just want to know what happened with the elders and organization after i realized it wasn't true, i'll mark that seperately.

we didn't do jack shit in service, or in the congregation.

maybe this was how jehovah came about?

ThomasCovenant

Thank you for taking the time to write that 'introduction'. It was good to read.

And welcome.

All the best with your wife too.

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Hello everyone

by jean-luc picard in

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friends

im new to your site so ill present myself.

its been 15 years since i escaped the borg.

i was in a unhappy marriage.

ThomasCovenant

Welcome

''We are NOT going to live forever, so EVERY minute counts, every minute is precious. Live life to the full. Take care all''

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Jesuits settle US abuse claims for $166 million

by behemot in

in one of the largest settlements in the roman catholic church's sweeping sex abuse scandal, an order of priests agreed yesterday to pay $166.1 million (103m) to hundreds of native americans and alaska natives who were abused at the order's schools around the northwestern us.. .

the jesuit order, called the oregon province of the society of jesus, has been accused of using its schools in remote villages and on reservations as dumping grounds for problem priests.. .

attorneys representing the mostly native american and alaskan native victims said the abuse added to the mistreatment already endured by these children, some of whom were forcibly removed from their homes to attend these schools.. .

ThomasCovenant

Wobble,

If there was a god and it could spare the time to be concerned about a miniscule little backwater of the universe that we call the Milky Way, I'd imagine it doesn't care one iota what happens to small versions of the highest evolved lifeform currently dwelling on the 3rd planet of one of its billions of stars.

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Jesuits settle US abuse claims for $166 million

by behemot in

in one of the largest settlements in the roman catholic church's sweeping sex abuse scandal, an order of priests agreed yesterday to pay $166.1 million (103m) to hundreds of native americans and alaska natives who were abused at the order's schools around the northwestern us.. .

the jesuit order, called the oregon province of the society of jesus, has been accused of using its schools in remote villages and on reservations as dumping grounds for problem priests.. .

attorneys representing the mostly native american and alaskan native victims said the abuse added to the mistreatment already endured by these children, some of whom were forcibly removed from their homes to attend these schools.. .

ThomasCovenant

Nothing the Catholic Church heirarchy will ever do, will ever make me leave the Catholic Church.

It is very regrettable that they have allowed ordained priests to be in a postion to abuse little children but this will not detract from my faith in the Church.

The Catholic Church is God's true religious organization, so there.

No matter how evil the things they may do are, the fact remains that I'm still a good Catholic.

Substitute ''Catholic Church'' for ''religion''.

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Jesuits settle US abuse claims for $166 million

by behemot in

in one of the largest settlements in the roman catholic church's sweeping sex abuse scandal, an order of priests agreed yesterday to pay $166.1 million (103m) to hundreds of native americans and alaska natives who were abused at the order's schools around the northwestern us.. .

the jesuit order, called the oregon province of the society of jesus, has been accused of using its schools in remote villages and on reservations as dumping grounds for problem priests.. .

attorneys representing the mostly native american and alaskan native victims said the abuse added to the mistreatment already endured by these children, some of whom were forcibly removed from their homes to attend these schools.. .

ThomasCovenant

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What Time were your Meeting Times?

by ThomasCovenant in

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i read some postings here earlier where some were saying they had never heard of meetings staring at 7pm.

i may have misunderstood.. were/are there different start times elsewhere?

our times in uk were.

ThomasCovenant

I read some postings here earlier where some were saying they had never heard of meetings staring at 7pm. I may have misunderstood.

Were/are there different start times elsewhere?

Our times in UK were

Tuesday 7pm-8pm Group Study

Thursday 7pm -9pm Kingdom Ministry School and Service Meeting

Sunday 10am -12pm Public Talk and Watchtower Study

When two congregations shared a hall then the Tuesday and Thursday would swap and the Sunday would be 2pm - 4pm