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  Physically in mentally agnostic ie sitting on the fence

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
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  hi everyone i’m not pimi or pimo i’m pima.. i don’t think the gb have everything right but i’m sitting on the fence that maybe they do some things.. if the great trib starts i will jump that side of the fence.. this is a definite little sneaky advantage dodging but even by their own doctrine last min some could come in.. i suspect many are like me.. i spent years in bethel and am very disappointed and disillusioned by it all.. but at the end of the day i love the bible and think it is the word of god and i don’t see any other religion that comes as close to what jesus describes his true followers or who are fulfilling mat 24:14..

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  ThomasCovenant

  FedupJW

  I'm surprised it took you so long to work out.
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  While I don`t believe the Bible about GOD or other religions about a GOD ,I do wonder ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  i do wonder about the universe as we know it .

  it does boggle my mind ,and how such a variety of life does exist on this planet ,from the microscopic to the most advanced life forms.. in such an abundance .?.

  and then looking out there in the universe the multitudes of stars like our sun and planets exist that we have no knowledge of boggles my mind .. so ,maybe i am spiritual in some sense..

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  ThomasCovenant

  I agree with both of your comments.
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  Staying in physically for all the benefits

  by Indoubtbigtime in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wonder how many are like me staying pimo for the great association and gathering etc.

  also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of borg.. im not wasting any more time or money on anything i don’t want to do like preaching and mostly just go on zoom .

  there is nothing i want to do that would be considered disfellowshiping sin, i’m married and want to live by bible principles but i have serious doubts that the gb were chosen by god and are his one and only spokesmen on earth.

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  ThomasCovenant

  ''OK. I'm not indulging in this silliness anymore. I'm beginning to suspect some trolling here. It's getting very irrational and quite frankly, pointless.''

  I'm very surprised it took you so long to realize that.
  
  
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  The Hubris of the Governing Body

  by cofty in

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  2. beliefs

  it's difficult to comprehend how arrogant the members of the governing body must be to sanction much of the content that appears in their literature.

  they identify themselves as the 'faithful and discreet slave' - that alone requires an astonishing degree of pride.

  but what is even more amazing - arguably to the level of insanity - is the way they then use that phrase to elevate themselves above the rest of the organisation.

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  ThomasCovenant

  Watchtower 1957, 15th June page 370 paragraph 7,

  ''It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the “slave” as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision.''

  It is vital that you appreciate this fact and respond to our directions as you would to the voice of God, because it is His provision.

  It is vital that you appreciate this fact and respond to my directions as you would to the voice of God, because it is His provision.

  
  
  
  
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  The Hubris of the Governing Body

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's difficult to comprehend how arrogant the members of the governing body must be to sanction much of the content that appears in their literature.

  they identify themselves as the 'faithful and discreet slave' - that alone requires an astonishing degree of pride.

  but what is even more amazing - arguably to the level of insanity - is the way they then use that phrase to elevate themselves above the rest of the organisation.

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  ThomasCovenant

  Watchtower 1956, 1st November page 666 paragraph 11,

  ''Who controls the organization, who directs it? Who is at the head? A man? A group of men? A clergy class? A pope? A hierarchy? A council? No, none of these.''

  We do.

  I do.

  
  
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  The Hubris of the Governing Body

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's difficult to comprehend how arrogant the members of the governing body must be to sanction much of the content that appears in their literature.

  they identify themselves as the 'faithful and discreet slave' - that alone requires an astonishing degree of pride.

  but what is even more amazing - arguably to the level of insanity - is the way they then use that phrase to elevate themselves above the rest of the organisation.

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  ThomasCovenant

  Watchtower 2010, 15th September page 8 paragraph 7,

  ''We cannot hope to acquire a good relationship with Jehovah if we ignore those whom Jesus has appointed to care for his belongings. Without the assistance of “the faithful and discreet slave,” we would neither understand the full import of what we read in God’s Word nor know how to apply it.''

  You cannot hope to acquire a good relationship with Jehovah if you ignore us who Jesus has appointed to care for his belongings. Without our assistance, you would neither understand the full import of what you read in God’s Word nor know how to apply it.

  You cannot hope to acquire a good relationship with Jehovah if you ignore me who Jesus has appointed to care for his belongings. Without my assistance, you would neither understand the full import of what you read in God’s Word nor know how to apply it.
  
  
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  The Hubris of the Governing Body

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's difficult to comprehend how arrogant the members of the governing body must be to sanction much of the content that appears in their literature.

  they identify themselves as the 'faithful and discreet slave' - that alone requires an astonishing degree of pride.

  but what is even more amazing - arguably to the level of insanity - is the way they then use that phrase to elevate themselves above the rest of the organisation.

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  ThomasCovenant

  Watchtower 1959, 1st May page 269 paragraph 7,

  ''To hold to the headship of Christ, it is therefore necessary to obey the organization that he is personally directing. Doing what the organization says is to do what he says. Resisting the organization is to resist him.''

  To hold to the headship of Christ, it is therefore necessary to for you obey us who he is personally directing. Doing what we say is to do what he says. Resisting us is to resist him.

  To hold to the headship of Christ, it is therefore necessary for you to obey me who he is personally directing. Doing what I say is to do what he says. Resisting me is to resist him

  
  
  
  
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  The Hubris of the Governing Body

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's difficult to comprehend how arrogant the members of the governing body must be to sanction much of the content that appears in their literature.

  they identify themselves as the 'faithful and discreet slave' - that alone requires an astonishing degree of pride.

  but what is even more amazing - arguably to the level of insanity - is the way they then use that phrase to elevate themselves above the rest of the organisation.

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  ThomasCovenant

  Watchtower 2009, 15th February page 27 paragraph 11,

  ''Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same? ''

  Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust us, should you not do the same?
  Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust me, should you not do the same?
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  Staying in physically for all the benefits

  by Indoubtbigtime in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wonder how many are like me staying pimo for the great association and gathering etc.

  also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of borg.. im not wasting any more time or money on anything i don’t want to do like preaching and mostly just go on zoom .

  there is nothing i want to do that would be considered disfellowshiping sin, i’m married and want to live by bible principles but i have serious doubts that the gb were chosen by god and are his one and only spokesmen on earth.

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  ThomasCovenant

  PIMO's in congregations add to the peer pressure on younger people and children that are growing up in the WT to think that the JW religion must be correct.

  Otherwise why would Uncle Indoubtbigtime and Uncle Thomas Covenant still be going to meetings and joining in the religion?

  Then one day, Little Johnny may need a blood transfusion. Well, Uncle Thomas Covenant believes it and so does Uncle Indoubtbigtime. Why would they be 'in' the religion if not?

  All the other ''physically in's'' must believe it too surely, (Little Johnny doesn't realize they are ''mentally out'', how could he?

  If Little Johnny dies from not having a blood transfusion, then Uncle Thomas Covenant and Uncle Indoubtbigtime can be ashamed of themselves.

  I was PIMO for most, if not all of my time, in the Witness religion , having been brought up in it.

  But we sure did have a good social life, with or without Little Johnny.
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  Are the statistics out yet?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  isn’t it about time they released the report for the service year?

  or have they stopped publishing it?

  did they released selected figures at the annual meeting as they usually do, such as the memorial attendance or record number of pioneers?

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  ThomasCovenant

  What Simon said I agree strongly with.

  Also the physically in, mentally out ones are adding to the peer pressure on others to continue being PIMO.

  Ultimately people can die from the no blood policies of the WT society.

  I consider PIMO to be partially blood guilty ( for want of a better phrase) for anyone that dies from the no blood policy.

  PIMO, just leave.