Blondie, I must say you are reading way to much into this!
Ruh Roh Raggie (say it like scooby doo)
coolhandluke
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Are women cows? Yes and No says the WTS
by blondie inw51 5/1 p. 278 making a success of marriage ***women are not cows or pieces of property that become exclusive possessions of husbands to do with them whatsoever they please.
*** w61 12/15 pp.
767-768 questions from readers *** .
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Sexual Abuse Memories are implanted by Satan, so Forget & Endure Them
by Gerard inthis article is ourageous!
and it is on the first page of the wt's web site!
comfort for those with a "stricken spirit"
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coolhandluke
Um. Yeah. I recovered a memory when I was 14. I had no prodding. I was reading an article about molestation something similar to my own experience. In fact it was with my mother. She asked me point blank. CHL, have you ever been molested. I broke down, couldn't talk for a minute. I told her that I had. She cried. We called my grandmother to ask her if she knew about it. She was like, um don't you guys remember the jc? Don't you remember that you made the girls family move? (They rented 1/2 a duplex from us) Nope. She didn't remember and neither did I. These things have slowly come back with time.
So F*UCK the governing body and their narrow insights. Maybe some of those old codgers should be a young woman, a rape survivor or maybe a molested child. Then we wouldn't have comparisions to cows, questions of "didja scream?" or bullsh!t comments like the ones they just made.
CHL (of the class)
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coolhandluke
This is my first winter in the midwest. I'm excited! First snow today although it didn't stick on the ground. Gonna be interesting
CHL
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What do you _really_ think?
by daystar inquite often we maintain a polite silence about others when we'd really like to tell them to shut the hell up, that they're pompous, or ignorant, or simply a pain in the ass.
"god, i can't stand reading any of his posts.
or, perhaps we really would like to say something really nice about someone, perhaps even a bit personal.
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coolhandluke
See, you hide your true feelings about this thread from Daystar
My true feelings about the thread, since I've not mentioned them previously, are "Hmm. That's an interesting question. I wonder if anyone will have anything unfiltired yet constructively critical to say. I sat and I thought about it. I didn't have anything major. Just my minor gripe. That was mine because I find daystar to be an interesting person. It seems to me from public and private conversation that the guy is in some way on a similar path to me. He is older than me so perhaps he has an insight to my own personal attempts at self improvement. Anything I say to him has this as a partial motive.
BINGO! "Don’t stumble others" "Be careful what you say." "Season our sayings with salt" "Find a common ground with the householder" "Don’t disagree, redirect" There was always a way around any conversation stopper, masters at saying the right thing, at the right time. Starting with "baby food" and moving people onto more "solid food" as they became ready. Remember to try not to size someone up on the first ‘visit’, shoe-boxing people is what JWs do best. You think you know me already??? You don’t. I don't aim to please everyone, all the time. Sometimes I feel like I was taught everything backasswards. I have had to reevaluate every single friggin belief, assumption, value, etc that I ever had because most of them were tainted, skewed, unreal, based on a very narrow view of the world or not really mine. I am still doing that and may never be 'done'.
I don't think I know you Jez. That would be presumptuous of me. But you obviously have more life experience than me so perhaps there is a rhyme or a reason to the nature of the way you reply to people. Perhaps there is something to be learned. Knowing your intent for things gives me something to chew on in my head. It helps me process my own intentions to see modeled intentions and their outcomes. That was my intention in using such sentence precursors as "Perhaps" when assuming something that for all intents may be false.
My intent was not lost, it was not for all to get. I don't assume that all people will 'get' my intent
The statement was not meant to say that you failed in your intention with daystar. He as you have stated is seemingly unique or at least rare. It was merely to investigate the possibility of a good intention (constructive criticism) being lost in ill chosen words. This is my baggage. I have a tendency to just say what comes to my mind. I feel like a liar to do anything otherwise. My grandfather was the best business man that I know personally. He was a share cropper that retired very wealthy through sheer hard work and attentiveness. In his estimation I had burried in me some of his talents. In an attempt to pull them out of me, one of the last things he requested from me was to think about how I speak to people. "It will mean the difference between closed deals and beans for dinner."
And so don’t you think that your intent (to make me look at myself and my chosen words) is lost as soon as you started in on your little stick up the ass comment?
That was a poor attempt at humor. Perhaps it is lost in the fact that cold written words on a screen leave no room for the sarcasm captured in voice tonality or even a non aggressive facial expression. I was making a joke. As you said, I don't know you. In that state, I make jokes to bridge gaps. If I offended I offer an apology simply because offense was not my intent.
Oh, and as for saying that I seem like an intelligent person, why thank you for that unsolicited compliment. I will return it: You seem like the kind of guy I could sit down with and debate life, people, etc with for hours and actually enjoy it.
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What do you _really_ think?
by daystar inquite often we maintain a polite silence about others when we'd really like to tell them to shut the hell up, that they're pompous, or ignorant, or simply a pain in the ass.
"god, i can't stand reading any of his posts.
or, perhaps we really would like to say something really nice about someone, perhaps even a bit personal.
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coolhandluke
Also, perhaps I didn't give credit where credit is due. You also offered some critique, which I greatly appreciate.
Thanks daystar. You've said before that healing from the crap imposed on you from being inside is your goal. I hope you reach that and that this forum plays a small part in it
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When elders disagree....
by Lilycurly inhere's the situation.... my da has been finally announced last thursday.
now, the thing is, my father asked the elders if it was still okay for him to talk to me.. elder1 says :no, she is daed, is not living with her family anymore, you can't talk or associate with her in any way.
(that elder has been shunning his daughter for a few years now.).
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coolhandluke
The emotional manipulation part is what gets to me. My grandmothers husband won't let me into my childhood home because "I don't recognize the position that I'm in. Until I come to my senses I am not welcome." It hurts like hell. I hope that your family sees this and will spare you from this pain.
CHL
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What do you _really_ think?
by daystar inquite often we maintain a polite silence about others when we'd really like to tell them to shut the hell up, that they're pompous, or ignorant, or simply a pain in the ass.
"god, i can't stand reading any of his posts.
or, perhaps we really would like to say something really nice about someone, perhaps even a bit personal.
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coolhandluke
I knew that you would not get any constructive criticism, it just doesn't feel comfortable or fair to give to a stranger that you barely know or know only from a forum. It is also taking a risk in how it will be perceived, but you must have already known that when you asked the question, you seem far too quick and intelligent not to, which means, that you would have already known you would have gotten 'love', therefore, my comment about this being a pathetic attempt at attention etc.
Like you Jez it makes my spleen itch to see threads attempting to evoke sympathy from people that are only known to them by posts in a discussion forum. It makes me want to yell "Get a freaking life". But that makes me not in a position to help them, so maybe someone else can. The fact that daystar created the thread is what made me post in the first place. I doubted that the above mentioned motive was his intent. My post was giving him the benefit of that doubt. I just took what he "said" at face value in that he wanted people to be raw. I didn't have anything to be raw with him about. The only thing I could think of at that moment is that he seems to hide himself inside of his posts. Perhaps that is just this medium, I don't know.
You seem like a truly intelligent woman Jez. From what I've read that you have posted you just seem caustic at the wrong times. I seems that, and I might be wrong, the behind the scenes motive is to get the party with whom you are speaking to truly evaluate their position and perhaps choose a different course. I simply take personal(my own issue) acception with the way you say things. Perhaps this is my JW programming and diplomatic upbringing speaking but what is wrong with phrasing your words in a manner that evokes thought and not irritation from your listening audience? If the motive is to readjust and you've just expended your time for that cause, is your intent not lost by the persons disregard of what you've said by not taking their situationally imposed fragility into consideration?
CHL
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Joke Time
by Golf infive surgeons are discussing who has the best patients to operate on.
the first surgeon says, "i like to see accountants on my operating table because when you open them up, everything inside is numbered.
the second responds.
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coolhandluke
interchange politician with governing body and the laugh is much mo betta
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Are women cows? Yes and No says the WTS
by blondie inw51 5/1 p. 278 making a success of marriage ***women are not cows or pieces of property that become exclusive possessions of husbands to do with them whatsoever they please.
*** w61 12/15 pp.
767-768 questions from readers *** .
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coolhandluke
Comments made by the faithful slave have done more to confuse me than any other comments made by anyone. Amazing that for so long I, even in my confusion, took their words as gospel. "I dunno. Let me see what the slave has to say about that." It makes me wonder if they run what they say through the filter of would God say that crap? I think if they did they'd have to shut their doors and sell off their printing facilities.
CHL (of the prefers to think of my cows in the context of steak class)
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What do you _really_ think?
by daystar inquite often we maintain a polite silence about others when we'd really like to tell them to shut the hell up, that they're pompous, or ignorant, or simply a pain in the ass.
"god, i can't stand reading any of his posts.
or, perhaps we really would like to say something really nice about someone, perhaps even a bit personal.
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coolhandluke
But I am just shrugging my shoulders and saying, Insulting me does not prove your point, it proves mine.
I do admire you for not getting defensive, as most would and one did,
I did not realize that I insulted you. If I did, that was not the intent. The insult to you would be simply agreeing with what, correct me if I am wrong, seemed to be a blanket judgement of others based on what you perceive their intention to be. The entire reason for existing for me is to learn. How do I learn if people constantly agree with me? That'll just give me a swelled head and lead to me not learning anything. So perhaps this little exchange is a learning experience for me. I do not believe that I was defensive, merely asking questions in a playful manner. If I was, point it out. I have nothing to defend only that I disagree with your opinion of why daystar posted this thread. He's a big boy. He can defend himself.