not that any of them would post, but do you think that they have people who they secretly have visit anti-jw sites and forums like this just for the purpose of seeing what people are saying about them and what their current members might stumble upon?.
if you google jws, the first couple are official, the next two are wikis, then you have an anti-jw site and then there's this one.
any current or potential member that is looking for more information than is published by the wbts will be directed to these sites.
I hope so.
Imagine a world in which generations of human beings come to believe that certain films were made by God or that specific software was coded by him. Imagine a future in which millions of our descendants murder each other over rival interpretations of Star Wars or Windows 98. Could anything - anything - be more ridiculous? And yet, this would be no more ridiculous than the world we are living in. -Sam Harris, author (1967- )
i have been inspired to ask this question by narkissos' thread: "is 'consciousness' overrated?
" (et al).. whilst my question is primarily directed to you nark, i want to open this up to everyone else also.. nark - from your opening ramblings (and i mean that in the most endearing way) on "is 'consciousness' overrated?
", and from other recent posts, i get the feeling that you are asking these questions because you know something and you are trying to grasp onto what you know.
"enjoy the pain, suffer the joy"
Oh, I like that. Only just a couple of days ago I said to a dear friend that sometimes pain is even preferable to the feeling of "I can't take any more love".
There is the "what?", the "who?", the "when?", the "how?" and ... then there is the "why?" The "why?" will either drive you to insanity or lead you to freedom. I have passed through the insanity, now I enjoy all the ways I can possibly explore the "why?". I kind of feel like a kid in the candy store of life!
it's long, but worth it... be patient and wait through the two introductions to get to randy pausch's last lecture.. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3115188410730134929.
jackie.
*bump*
i have been inspired to ask this question by narkissos' thread: "is 'consciousness' overrated?
" (et al).. whilst my question is primarily directed to you nark, i want to open this up to everyone else also.. nark - from your opening ramblings (and i mean that in the most endearing way) on "is 'consciousness' overrated?
", and from other recent posts, i get the feeling that you are asking these questions because you know something and you are trying to grasp onto what you know.
"I would tell myself that renouncing the lovely game of combining lovely words was foolish, that there was no reason to seek the single, perhaps illusory, One." ("Undr" - Jorge Luis Borges)
Thank you Narkissos, from the bottom of my heart, thank you. I know nothing else but this, this ache in my heart that is the constant feeling of my heart breaking open, wider and wider.
It is a joy to be in service to wonder, to the 'beloved', to speak truth - as much as it is often painful. The pain is lessening these days as I proudly hold hands with my new friend 'Fear'. I stopped fearing fear a long time ago, but it has taken me a while to give fear a place in my heart. Now that I give all emotions, all ways of being open space in my heart, I find that they actually know how to work in harmony much better than I do at the level of mind. And, in doing that, mind finds a resting place where it is also allowed to be all that it is.
I love my mind, I love my heart, I love the way they both constantly expand - more and more in synergy these days. I love my song, my voice, my truth and in loving my own wholeness, I love everybody else in their wholeness.
These intimate, rare, precious moments are increasing and I am in 'wonder' that someone as much a stranger as you are to me, can break open my heart once again by sharing with me something that has touched you. I cannot express the depth of my gratitude - Thank you.
Love.
last night i had an interesting talk with my wife in bed.. oprah had a show on recently about gays.
now i don't normally watch oprah, but she was watching a taped one in the evening, so i was just overhearing stuff.
anyway, i think my wife puts more faith in oprah than in the gb :).
10p - kudos to you and that was a great discussion you had with your wife.
Forgetting all the rest for a moment - how great does it feel:
But I must point out, I was amazed at how relaxed I was, I didn't feel that little thing inside me I normally do which is like an attack mechanism. I felt really "buddist " (not that I know anything about buddism).
Isn't it amazing, once we work/pass through all the emotional turmoil of leaving and questioning everything (mostly ourselves), we move through the bitterness and anger - how you can say the same things you initially thought, but this time from a real place of calmness and then the other person is more receptive?
It is not 'buddhist' it just is being a true human :)
More gets accomplished from this place of openness - which is what the Org just doesn't seem to get.
Absolutely brilliant - thank you for introducing me!
Celine Dion - baahaaahaha!
Hooked now - roflmho
this is funny!.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arf7ydwv8ho.
do you want to vote for robert mugabe?.
i have been inspired to ask this question by narkissos' thread: "is 'consciousness' overrated?
" (et al).. whilst my question is primarily directed to you nark, i want to open this up to everyone else also.. nark - from your opening ramblings (and i mean that in the most endearing way) on "is 'consciousness' overrated?
", and from other recent posts, i get the feeling that you are asking these questions because you know something and you are trying to grasp onto what you know.
Thank you all for your posts. I enjoyed each of them very much
Tired of Hypocrisy - thank you.
VoidEater:
I know that the exquisite sensation of the Divine within me may be nothing more than my psyche's way of delivering positive feedback and approval that my pyschology has disowned.
I love that. I also think you have the best username and it says it all.
Journey-On and Twitch:
Hope4Others: I really appreciated the Gorky quote relative to current events in my personal life.
RealOne: See Journey-On.
OpenMind: Music is valued expression and I love the symbiotic nature of words and music. Trust that this is healthy for body and mind and sing to your kids.
It is such a privilege to be aware of so many who are able to rest in the unknown. My time here at JWD is so different this time as I am able to recognise all of you individually.
And in this unknowing, this vast, boundless expanse - knowing arises.
But what I know at that particular moment and place (which is not the reflective spot where I know I know) I can't tell without instantly betraying it.
Absolutely. In feeling that "definite chill in my spine tells me I know" we are the experience, we are that knowing. And the moment we try to tell it, we feel we are taken out of the experience, thus the feeling of betrayal.
Yet, as humans, there is always the desire to somehow attempt to capture that knowing. And it is through others sharing their knowing - even if we allow for it to be 'wrong' in the next moment - that we grow in our ability of self-realisation.
So we are all agreed that there is no permanency to this knowing, that by it's very nature of transparency and flow 'knowing' is.
I also believe that it is beholden upon us to try and share at times this knowing we have in this moment. Maybe it is not for our sakes that this knowing needs to be given expression. Often, the things that are the hardest to share, the hardest to convey, are the most valuable.
And in between there is silence. Wise people know when to rest in this quietness, in the un-nameable, as this silence. A truly wise person also knows when to listen to the beckoning that calls you out of silence.
So again, now that we have all established a level of trust and intention. I want to know, what do you know in this moment that must be spoken? And if you have nothing to say - that is perfectly okay also (Quietly Trying).
robert lanza has literally written the book on stem cell science and delves into the issue of consciousness, reality, and a biocentric view of the universe.. .
while i was sitting one night with a poet friend watching a great opera performed in a tent under arc lights, the poet took my arm and pointed silently.
why does the universe exist?
Thanks Catbert. I haven't read a Bill Bryson book for years. You are about the third person to recommend that book to me in as many months - so I guess I better take the hint
The quote from Bryson was helpful. I think my problem is that I do read a lot of science (and philosophy, spirituality, psychology) and I am a very creative thinker (ie evolving). But unlike the other subjects, which seem to come more naturally to me - the problem with science for me is that I seem to be lacking the very basic building blocks of science.
For instance, just today I was reading about Double Dark Theory. Which is all very well - but I barely even know the basics of dark matter and dark energy. When it comes to science I always feel like I am jumping in the deep end before I have even learnt to swim.
So I will take your swimming instructors and curb my impatience.
i have been inspired to ask this question by narkissos' thread: "is 'consciousness' overrated?
" (et al).. whilst my question is primarily directed to you nark, i want to open this up to everyone else also.. nark - from your opening ramblings (and i mean that in the most endearing way) on "is 'consciousness' overrated?
", and from other recent posts, i get the feeling that you are asking these questions because you know something and you are trying to grasp onto what you know.
I have been inspired to ask this question by Narkissos' thread: "Is 'consciousness' overrated?" (et al).
Whilst my question is primarily directed to you Nark, I want to open this up to everyone else also.
Nark - from your opening ramblings (and I mean that in the most endearing way) on "Is 'consciousness' overrated?", and from other recent posts, I get the feeling that you are asking these questions because you know something and you are trying to grasp onto what you know. It is coming into form, but is still tantalisingly out of reach (although, from my experience, you could very well have grasped it by now - in the last 12 hours, or indeed as you read this).
Putting aside then any 'logicality', 'reasonableness' and 'scientific enquiry' (to the possible dismay of everyone, but I believe you already are all these things) - what is it that you know, deep inside your being - which may sound absurd if you try to explain it, which you fear no-one will understand and which you doubt you even have words for? What is it that has been created within you that wants to give birth to itself and become manifest?
I, personally, really want to know because I feel that it is something important and if it is important, then I need to know also. Consider me the invitation :)
To everyone else: what do you know, deep within you, that feels it must be spoken but is afraid? I am not talking facetiously here ("I know the grass is green") - I am talking about that inner knowing that we all sometimes feel, like the inner knowing which told you it was time to leave the JW's - even though every other part of you screamed out "No, you are crazy, no, it is too painful, too hard, no, it is not logical, it does not make sense". What do you know right now, in this moment that must be spoken?
Welcome to satsang everyone :)
Zensim
