Sphere, That profoundly sums them up… by definition they are a people who you can “get nowhere” with. The real question might be: what do you say to people who are both unrealistic and unreasonable? I sincerely wish I had the answer. I’ve thought of a couple crazy ideas but haven’t tried them yet. You know, fight fire with fire. One idea is to open the door and say nothing the whole time they are there. Try to maintain a blank stare and blink my eyes every so often throughout their visit but remain mute. Another thought is to make up a bunch of my own words and state my case emphatically to them in the words I’ve made up. The trick to this is coming up with words that have no relation to any known language. My last idea is to repeat everything they say (word for word) back to them in the form of a question. I would do this very slowly as if I’m doing my darnedest to comprehend every word said. If a person could do this with a straight face it might be interesting. As you can see I am clueless as to how to relate the clueless. It is frustrating. I hope someone with some good ideas will take the time to post. Your post was real...I can relate.
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by Fatfreek inan ex brother and i were talking recently and he recounted a bizarre story.
he too left the witneys some years ago, got a divorce, and the two children (both boys) decided to stay with his wife since she was still a jw.. one of his boys (never baptized a jw) confided in him not long ago about the sleeping arrangements after he left.
she told the boys that she was feeling depressed and lonely because of the divorce and turmoil that their apostate father had caused her and asked them (ages 15 and 16) to each alternate and sleep with her every other night.. it took lots of courage for this son to talk to his father about it since he wanted it off his chest.
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Parent sleeping with teenagers
by Fatfreek inan ex brother and i were talking recently and he recounted a bizarre story.
he too left the witneys some years ago, got a divorce, and the two children (both boys) decided to stay with his wife since she was still a jw.. one of his boys (never baptized a jw) confided in him not long ago about the sleeping arrangements after he left.
she told the boys that she was feeling depressed and lonely because of the divorce and turmoil that their apostate father had caused her and asked them (ages 15 and 16) to each alternate and sleep with her every other night.. it took lots of courage for this son to talk to his father about it since he wanted it off his chest.
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Hello ChrisVance, those feelings of guilt and shame are hard to escape and linger long after the initial incident(s). How does one avoid feeling second rate after the fact? I still struggle with issues of feeling permanently tainted or stained by it and consequently inferior. I don’t know if I’m making any sense but it’s like a personal stigma. Although I wouldn’t wish it on anyone, it helps to know I’m not alone and you’re not alone. Then there’s the trust issue. Who can you trust if you can’t trust mom (or dad)? It took a long time but I have found I am able to trust again thanks to some pretty wonderful people and I’ve come a long way with my feelings of guilt and inferiority. I sincerely hope you’ve found some people you can trust too. It does get better… that much is true and we all need to keep saying it. Thanks for sharing Chris.
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Parent sleeping with teenagers
by Fatfreek inan ex brother and i were talking recently and he recounted a bizarre story.
he too left the witneys some years ago, got a divorce, and the two children (both boys) decided to stay with his wife since she was still a jw.. one of his boys (never baptized a jw) confided in him not long ago about the sleeping arrangements after he left.
she told the boys that she was feeling depressed and lonely because of the divorce and turmoil that their apostate father had caused her and asked them (ages 15 and 16) to each alternate and sleep with her every other night.. it took lots of courage for this son to talk to his father about it since he wanted it off his chest.
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Many thanks for sharing gespro I couldn't agree more.
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Parent sleeping with teenagers
by Fatfreek inan ex brother and i were talking recently and he recounted a bizarre story.
he too left the witneys some years ago, got a divorce, and the two children (both boys) decided to stay with his wife since she was still a jw.. one of his boys (never baptized a jw) confided in him not long ago about the sleeping arrangements after he left.
she told the boys that she was feeling depressed and lonely because of the divorce and turmoil that their apostate father had caused her and asked them (ages 15 and 16) to each alternate and sleep with her every other night.. it took lots of courage for this son to talk to his father about it since he wanted it off his chest.
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Hello Evilforce, no harm done as far as I’m concerned. You’re absolutely correct about not being given the full or clear picture to begin with. From that standpoint alone it would be silly of me to harbor any hard feelings towards anyone. Certainly no misrepresentation of the facts was intended when this whole posting thing began. Unfortunately, it ended up being a little like the game “whisper down the alley”. I told dad (and I didn’t make myself very clear with him) and then dad told our dear friend fatfreek who posted things just the way he heard them. All of this telling of the account was done with my consent but obviously it failed to accurately reflect the facts. It then took me days of soul searching to work up the courage (even though I knew I would have anonymity) to step forward with the facts in my own words. Heck, it wasn’t that long ago I told dad for the first time! It’s hard to articulate but it was something I finally had to get it off my back. I’m sharing this now for the first time in 20+ yrs. I never trusted people enough to share the information because I’ve been so afraid of what their reactions might be. Yep, I was afraid of what people would think if I told. As I said, I’ve heard of much worse happening to others but this was MY “dirty little secret”. Brother, I owned it and what a weight around my neck it was! I’ve had to fight back the tears as I’ve read the responses to my original post. Not because it caused me any pain but because it’s what I’ve needed to hear for so long. The benefit of opening up and the loving support from total strangers has been overwhelming. I can’t thank you enough for your last comment Evilforce. You’ve all done me a world of good, Thank you. -
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Parent sleeping with teenagers
by Fatfreek inan ex brother and i were talking recently and he recounted a bizarre story.
he too left the witneys some years ago, got a divorce, and the two children (both boys) decided to stay with his wife since she was still a jw.. one of his boys (never baptized a jw) confided in him not long ago about the sleeping arrangements after he left.
she told the boys that she was feeling depressed and lonely because of the divorce and turmoil that their apostate father had caused her and asked them (ages 15 and 16) to each alternate and sleep with her every other night.. it took lots of courage for this son to talk to his father about it since he wanted it off his chest.
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Hello Sphere, I was sorry to hear you went thru a similar midnight flight unclothed. That alone can be pretty demeaning but it also takes some inner strength to do doesn't it? Sometimes when I watch the news or hear the stories of others I count myself lucky because I know some have had it far worse. What blows my mind is that gov. run social services and law enforcement agencies seem to be more enlightened than people who claim to get their enlightenment directly from God or His organization. It speaks volumes when a person can go to their local government and get more help then the Elders would give.
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Parent sleeping with teenagers
by Fatfreek inan ex brother and i were talking recently and he recounted a bizarre story.
he too left the witneys some years ago, got a divorce, and the two children (both boys) decided to stay with his wife since she was still a jw.. one of his boys (never baptized a jw) confided in him not long ago about the sleeping arrangements after he left.
she told the boys that she was feeling depressed and lonely because of the divorce and turmoil that their apostate father had caused her and asked them (ages 15 and 16) to each alternate and sleep with her every other night.. it took lots of courage for this son to talk to his father about it since he wanted it off his chest.
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Lyin eyes, Your courage is both impressive & catching, thanks 4 sharing
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Parent sleeping with teenagers
by Fatfreek inan ex brother and i were talking recently and he recounted a bizarre story.
he too left the witneys some years ago, got a divorce, and the two children (both boys) decided to stay with his wife since she was still a jw.. one of his boys (never baptized a jw) confided in him not long ago about the sleeping arrangements after he left.
she told the boys that she was feeling depressed and lonely because of the divorce and turmoil that their apostate father had caused her and asked them (ages 15 and 16) to each alternate and sleep with her every other night.. it took lots of courage for this son to talk to his father about it since he wanted it off his chest.
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I've been following your comments from the start. Big Tex, I told my dad earlier you seem to have a heart that matches your name...Thanks 4 all.
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Parent sleeping with teenagers
by Fatfreek inan ex brother and i were talking recently and he recounted a bizarre story.
he too left the witneys some years ago, got a divorce, and the two children (both boys) decided to stay with his wife since she was still a jw.. one of his boys (never baptized a jw) confided in him not long ago about the sleeping arrangements after he left.
she told the boys that she was feeling depressed and lonely because of the divorce and turmoil that their apostate father had caused her and asked them (ages 15 and 16) to each alternate and sleep with her every other night.. it took lots of courage for this son to talk to his father about it since he wanted it off his chest.
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To Sara Anne and Lady Lee---- Your thoughtful comments reached me at core level...thank you for your kindness.
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Parent sleeping with teenagers
by Fatfreek inan ex brother and i were talking recently and he recounted a bizarre story.
he too left the witneys some years ago, got a divorce, and the two children (both boys) decided to stay with his wife since she was still a jw.. one of his boys (never baptized a jw) confided in him not long ago about the sleeping arrangements after he left.
she told the boys that she was feeling depressed and lonely because of the divorce and turmoil that their apostate father had caused her and asked them (ages 15 and 16) to each alternate and sleep with her every other night.. it took lots of courage for this son to talk to his father about it since he wanted it off his chest.
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My birth mother passed away and every since I can remember the only mother I ever knew was my step mother who had been in the picture since I was a baby. She was “mom”. If you think I had a thing for her, you’re unequivocally correct! I adored her, I admired her, I respected her, I was even proud of her. I could be wrong but I was under the impression that’s how most healthy boys and girls view their folks in functional a family. Tragically, all that good functionality came to an abrupt halt when my folks split. Had I been given the choice I would have went with my father. It seems I had a thing for him too (still do). Since my mom was the only JW parent it was decided by her that she would be the better custodian and so it went. I can’t remember one time when my brother or I slept in the same bed as my mother prior to my folk’s separation. Even when my dad was out of town on business it didn’t happen. But when my mother started asking my brother and I to bunk with her it was no big deal in my 15 year old mind. Actually I thought it was kind of a treat, sort of like camping out together or having a pajama party where you could talk till you dozed off. My mom as my friend right? What a comforting prospect at that time. I must have been in my own world! A pajama party? One problem with that notion was brother and I hadn’t worn pajamas since our diaper days. But who bothers with the details when you have such wonderfully niave notions? We didn’t see any need to sleep in anything but our undies and didn’t even own PJs. My mom slept in a PJ top and panties. I never even considered the possibility that all this was anything but innocent until I woke up one night with a stiffy and my mother was rubbing her butt against it. I was mortified and moved away so quick you would have thought somebody dropped a hot coal on my crotch. I figured she must have been dreaming even hoped she hadn’t woke up. Then there was the next time etc. and she then started making overtures in the daylight hours and eventually things bad enough I finally ran away from home (across town) in my underwear, in the dead of night and called my dad from a friendly Jw’s house. Then the whole JW congregation gave me the cold shoulder. Why? Because I moved in with DF’D dad.
Now, what I want to thank everyone for is your comments, positive and negative alike. Your postings have enforced the concept that I’m not alone. They’ve taught me I need to listen to others with the least amount of judgment and the most sensitivity possible. CHEERS
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Parent sleeping with teenagers
by Fatfreek inan ex brother and i were talking recently and he recounted a bizarre story.
he too left the witneys some years ago, got a divorce, and the two children (both boys) decided to stay with his wife since she was still a jw.. one of his boys (never baptized a jw) confided in him not long ago about the sleeping arrangements after he left.
she told the boys that she was feeling depressed and lonely because of the divorce and turmoil that their apostate father had caused her and asked them (ages 15 and 16) to each alternate and sleep with her every other night.. it took lots of courage for this son to talk to his father about it since he wanted it off his chest.
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Sorry I'm a newbie please next post