i just obtained a cd of movies and slides of the photo-drama of creation.
it has movies of russell talking and some movies of bible themes.
then there's a narrated slide presentation that appears to match the text of the photo drama book.
There are quite a few versions of it out, maintained by Bible Students.
http://www.agsconsulting.com/menucn3.htm
http://www.bibletoday.com/photodrama/chapter1/pd_intro.htm
http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/Contents/russell/PDRMAPRF.PDF
At least one Bible Student organization - the Dawn Bible Students Association - has the Photodrama in book form.
one night last week, my five year old daughter couldn't fall asleep.
we could hear her upstairs as she tossed and turned a bit, then finally reappeared from her bedroom and crept down the stairs.
"what's wrong?
Awsome job, Esmeralda. Thanks for sharing.
........................at my last meeting, the elder was talking about 1975 and said "it never happened, it is appostates using a time when (some) brothers took the info in the wt wrong"...................i just blinked and finally woke up.. i had been on this site lurking for a couple of weeks, and realized thing werent right, but to have some creep say on the platform " it didnt happen"............when this ruined my and my siblings childhood, just made me snap.
on the way home, i told my hubby "that was the last meeting im going to"................boy was he pleased.. .
so if you didnt get df ......................what happened at your last meeting.?.
Thanks to everyone who's shared and those who may yet do so - especially the painful, personal details that make all the difference.
I don't remember my last meeting. All I know is I quit last August and am looking forward to celebrating next month...
no, i don't have this article yet, it will appear in the sep 1, 2006 wt.
it may even be a wt study article.. in the august 15 watchtower, the box "in our next issue" has three forthcoming articles, and one of them is "when a loved one leaves jehovah".
of interest, it's not when a loved one leaves the society, it's jehovah.. will keep you posted.
The bit about parents not blaming themselves just makes it that much harder for reconciliation or for family acknowledging their "lost" relative's point-of-view. My folks have already blamed me for their inexcusable behavior and manufactured motives for me. This is yet more encouragement to blame the person who left the Org for the loyal dub's behavior, continue to ascribe selfish and immoral motives to the one who left, and continue refusing to listen to and hear what their "straying" relative really is saying about their experience and understanding of the situation.
Yet another propaganda tool to circumvent rational thought in the loyal JW...
imagine what would happen in countless congregations across the globe if the society formally announced that "so and so is no longer one of.
jehovah's witnesses" simply because they became inactive.. not only would many congregations suffer under the burden of having their younger witness demographic get "expelled" , often one by .
one, in a steady drip as they fornicate/smoke/do weed/whatever, man - but you now add a regular stream of .
I have little doubt that this will be coming soon.
I've heard second-hand that it already has in some areas. Seems to depend on the particular BoE.
posters i have tried "everything" to show my mom that the wts is full of beans but she just won't budge.
i have heard through some non-jw's relatives that my mom who is 76 years old and having alot of problems with her knee is pioneering.
i am so worried about her standing in front of the donut shop or supermarket at 6:00 am.
My grandmother pioneered for over 40 years until her late 80s. After an illness, she went on the disabled list, but still got high hours until around 91. She walked from her home to the Hall - and this is in a major urban area where drug dealers hang-out on the corners only a block from her home. While she got rides on meeting nights, the congregation let her walk to the Hall - something my family didn't know she was still doing after we left that congregation. The only reason she isn't out now is because of another major illness and failing memory. But my folks still had to go over for a while and stop her from going out after she got sick this last time.
Letting the elders know of you concerns sounds like a good idea, especially if you ask them to encourage her in alternate forms of service. I like the disappearing cane trick even better - though it could possibly hamper her getting around at home. And if she's that determined to go out, she'll likely find a way around that. You may be able to only slightly diminish the risks to her if she insists on going and she enjoys doing it; hopefully she's not being pressured, though she's likely being "encouraged" by commendation from other publishers.
just called their media line:.
http://www.jw-media.org/contact.htm.
asked a young man named bryce where is the official press release on the cano pedophile situation.
LDH, you rock!
My jaw hit the floor when I read his responses to your questions re: the Org.
I want to see all this published so bad, it hurts.
i have been reading in wikipedia about the jw religion (very informative) and am curiouse about the role the great pyramid plays in the overall beliefs.
the 144000 nuber.
the masonic resemblences.
Welcome, msmuffet!
You can find all of Russell's Studies in the Scriptures series online, along with all his other writings, at www.ctrussell.us.
Here's a direct link to the last chapter of Volume 3, where Russell writes about the pyramid. [no frames]
You'll also find some summaries/comparisons between Russell's teachings and JW teachings here.
okay, growing up a jw in the 70's 80's and early 90's, all we heard about was how the generation of 1914 will not pass away,(much like witnesses in the 60's and early 70's all heard about 1975) (what a great parallel) conventions, watchtower articles, public talks, endless studies and of course every issue of the awake magazine had it on the inside cover, it was everywhere, brothers, sisters and elders were absolutely sure about this, the society constantly mentioned it in our kingdom ministry (service), it was everywhere.
then with the change in november 1995, it just kinda disappeared and became unimportant.. does the society even mention "this generation will not pass away" anymore ?????.
seems to me, that the past 10 years, it has hardly been mentioned anywhere anymore.. what do you think ??
Barry:
I remember reading about the generation after1844 will not pass away I cant give a refference for it but goes to show the witnesses pinched it from the SDAs.
Russell acknowledged that just about all the chronology was taken directly or adapted from Adventist sources.
Zion's Watch Tower, 07/1880, p. 3
The transition from the Jewish age to the Gospel age covered a period of a little more than seventy years, reaching from the birth of Christ to the destruction of Jerusalem. The prominent events of that period were the coming of Christ, and the disposition of the Jewish nation. That period was divided into several smaller ones, by marked events and stages of the gradual change... These facts are interesting to the Bible student as matters of history concerning the Lord's dealings with the Jewish nation, but are intensely interesting when it is remembered that all those facts were arranged as a pattern of things connected with the closing history of the Gospel age. The equality and parallelism of the Jewish and Gospel ages we here take for granted, because they have been so often proved.
The transition period of seventy years mentioned at the beginning of this article, has its parallel in the transition from the Gospel age to the millennium, or between A.D. 1844 and A.D. 1914. The beginning of this transition is marked by the application of the 2300 days or years of `Daniel 8` and `9`, and the end is marked by the end of the Times of the Gentiles....
As the beginning of that change was marked by the coming of Christ from heaven, so the 2300 years above mentioned indicate that Christ was due to leave the most holy place--"heaven itself"--in 1844. Each of these points was marked by a movement of the expectant people in reference to the coming of Christ. As there was a tarrying of thirty years then before the manifestation of His presence, and the real closing work, so in this case His presence and the light on the harvest were not manifested until after thirty years of tarrying.
We speak of His coming or manifestation as Bridegroom and Reaper between the Autumn of 1874 and the Spring of 1878, in the same sense as He was so spoken of during the three years and a half between His baptism and His entry into Jerusalem as King. His coming as Bridegroom was first expected and recognized by the watchers, and His work as Reaper afterward seen. In this case, as in the pattern, His manifestation to the watchers was not a coming from heaven, but a manifestation in his official relationship. In either case there was but one coming from heaven--the most holy--and that coming at the beginning of the tarrying. The tarrying in either case is the period of time after He had come, before entering upon His work.
Zion's Watch Tower, 12/15/1913, p. 375
Our Lord declared, "The wise shall understand"; and He told us to "Watch" that we might know; and it is this chronology which convinces us (who can and do receive it by faith) that the Parable of the Ten Virgins is now in process of fulfilment--that its first cry was heard in 1844 and its second cry, "Behold the Bridegroom"--present-- was in 1874. It is this chronology and none other which awakened us to trim our lamps, in harmony with the Lord's promise through the Apostle, "Ye brethren are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief."
so here i am sunday walking through the mall with my hubby, niece and little girl.
he's from guatemala and i'm about as white as you can get..red hair to boot.
we're talking in spanish about whatever and a little voice comes up from behind me in spanish, "you speak sapnish?
Confession - I just copied your post and saved it for future use - I like that response.
