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  "Stumbling"

  by tall penguin in

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  before i disassociated myself a month ago, i sent out a brief letter to a few of my friends to let them know about my choice and my reasons for so choosing.

  the responses varied.

  one of the common responses i received was "i'm sorry you were stumbled.

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  Ingenuous

  tall penguin - great letter. Thanks for sharing it and the response(s) you're getting.
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  Were You Ever Drunk or High At A Meeting Or In Service?

  by minimus in

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  an elder in our hall used to drink his wine before evening meetings regularly, and on more than a few occasions was "buzzed" and laughing up on the platform while giving a talk.

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  I never did, but my Dad had an interesting thought about this. He's been prescribed some pretty strong stuff for pain. He's asked the CO, if we can't come to the Hall drunk or high on something illegal, why is it OK to come to the meeting on a prescription drug that has the same effect? After trying to take his meds (as prescribed) and give a talk or two, he now foregoes his meds and goes to the meeting in pain so he isn't on stage "under the influence."
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  WISHING TO LOCATE A NUMBER OF BOOKS AND LITERATURE PUSBLISHED BY WTBS

  by Mr.D.Frost in

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  i really wish i would have transported the library of information i had, when i moved here.

  but alas i didnt, even if i did, i'm sure i still would not be able to back as far as i'd like.

  i wanted to know where i might be able to find literature ranging from the mid 1900's up to present day?

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  Zion's Watch Tower - 1879 thru 1916

  Studies in the Scriptures, Tabernacle Shadows, PhotoDrama - cross-referenced to KJV

  I don't know where to find Rutherford's writings online.
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  pure fluff: Find out which super-hero you are!!

  by kid-A in

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  fluff alert: find out which marvel superhero you are!!!.

  apparently, i am dr. strange !!!!!

  please report back....... http://www.liquidgeneration.com/quiz/superhero_quiz.swf.

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  I'd still rather be a chick.
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  JW Ladies: starved for love?

  by 144001 in

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  ok, in another thread, a poster referred to incidents of "sisters" out in "field service" attempting to "hit" on the males they encountered at the doors.

  i have personally had this experience, and also noticed that the last time i visited a kingdom hall, the females in the hall were very, very flirty (including those who were married).

  it was as if i had entered a place inhabited soley by women who had been denied male companionship for years!

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  Ingenuous

  What Carol said.

  Add to that the frustration of being single... being single and trying to maintain your chastity... being single and trying to maintain your chastity and being a member of an organization where women (overall) greatly outnumber men...
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  Emerson (That's Me) Urges Forming House Bible Groups To Replace Watchtower

  by J Mason Emerson in

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  greetings to all readers of good will,

  i'm mason emerson (nicknamed "joe") and as a yahoo.com group i put the following on some websites there to encourage interested readers (exjws or others) to go ahead and form independent nonwatchtower groups for bible fellowship which can meet in homes instead of in kingdom halls.

  i see myself as a catalyst for action by others, not a founder of groups or a sole leader of them, especially given my current health.

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  Ingenuous

  Jeff - I've attended a few Bible Student meetings that are a lot like JME described. It takes a little looking around to find the right group for one's personality. There are two by me, but the one right up the street takes C. T. Russell's chronology too seriously for my tastes. There's another group a half hour away that doesn't bother with chronology at all and skips around to whatever topics hold their interests each week. I've been told that if I attend a convention (there seem to be about a dozen or so large ones a year and they're all different) I'll encounter Bible Students from both ends of the spectrum (those who deeply respect Russell's writings to those who couldn't care less about them) and everything in between. I hear that at the conventions, after each part, they open the floor to questions from the audience. At the meetings I've attended, everyone talks and voluteers perspectives and is free to agree or disagree, depending on their conscience/understanding. If you're looking into meetings following the "house church" style, this may be a place to start. I contacted the folks at biblestudents.net and dawnbible.com to get help locating meetings near me.
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  I got published!!!!!!!!!!!!

  by Sirona in

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  firstly let me say wooohhooooo!

  then i think i might say woooooohooooo!.

  i got two short stories (flash fiction) published in a creative writing magazine.

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  It's great seeing someone accomplish goals I've long since watched bite the dust.

  Go Sirona!!!
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  When am I an apostate?

  by Lilycurly in

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  my father talked to an elder yesterday, told him i was reading crisis of conscience, other apostate material and talking apostate with my mother.... the verdict: i am not consider an apostate, according to this elder.. now i'm confused...i thought just being here made me one, but the elder says i need to be talking badly about the society to others jws to be one.

  does that even make sense?

  anyone has any written references from publications or others that clearly says that there are other motives then trying to convert other jws?

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  According to my Dad, stating fact is apostasy. Specifically, saying, "The Society has taught falsehoods in the name of God" is "apostasy" to him.

  {sigh}
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  Everybody's Free to feel good

  by joelbear in

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  like the song says... i took to heart the statements that several of you made in one of my threads a week or so ago about being free.

  its a long journey but i think i've made an important step.

  i am tasting bits of freedom and its making me feel very good.

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  So glad you're on the upswing, JB. Keep going and don't stop for nothin'!
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  Faith Based Initiative Stirs Debate!

  by Atlantis in

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  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,169959,00.html faith based initiative stirs debatetuesday, september 20, 2005by wendy mcelroyon sept. 11, dalton mcguinty -- the premier of ontario -- announced that his province would not become the first western jurisdiction to allow islamic law to settle family disputes such as divorce, child custody and property settlements.

  the announcement raises a question: when is it proper for the government to dictate the rules by which adults of sound mind agree to resolve family disputes?.

  in the coming months, an uproar will rip through canadian society and courts.

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  Ingenuous

  Boyd countered that arbitration was a private act -- as opposed to one in the governmental or public sphere -- and, so, it was not subject to Charter scrutiny. Arbitration was private because "there is no state compulsion to arbitrate." Moreover, "it is a reflection of the parties' relationship…because the authority of the arbitrator flows directly from the parties agreement to be bound."... As long as a family dispute is being handled peacefully and involves only consenting adults, then everyone else should mind their own business.

  Oh, if only it were that simple! I suppose the author doesn't know how many "consenting adults" bow to the (sometimes unreasonable) pressures imposed by a faith, not to mention the sanctions known only to "insiders" that will be suffered in the name of exercising the "right" to "faith-based arbitration"

  Gender feminist groups rushed to answer the question "when is it proper for the government to dictate the rules of family disputes?" Their answer seemed to be "whenever a woman is involved."

  Their reasoning: Since it is possible for women to be brainwashed or pressured into private negotiations, all negotiations must be conducted according to identical governmental procedure and law

  Is it common to insult women's intelligence in the name of lobbying for preventive legislation? The writer portrays feminists' concerns as if they see themselves protecting women's rights because women are less capable of maintaining their mental integrity and harbor some weaknesses of intelligence (being susceptible to brainwashing and pressure) that men do not have but rarely. Is this an accurate portrayal of "gender feminist groups'" perspective?