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i am new

by knight in

i have read the various posts here an i have my own story to tell i amstill a witness not as active as i used to be but stillfaithful i think the main problem that jws have is that they put c.o's m.s's elders and the like on pedestals and when you do that you set yourself up for a letdown and when that person does something you dont think is right you are letdown but one should not let this block his/her relationship with jehovah.

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Claudia,
Your reply is only partially true. I scroll down the list to see who still wants to engage in time consuming debates. But reading them? I'd like to see you 'guess' on that. One reminder though that seems appropriate, "Jesus chose when to speak & when to keep silent". He can read people's hearts, I can't. But his example has much to ponder of. 'Planting seeds' as you say? Of what? Seeds of doubt & apostasy? Or Seeds of truth & glory to Jehovah God & Jesus Christ? One thing I learned from all of this, Satan is indeed working overtime, very near indeed to Jehovah's Day.......

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any similar experience?

by chris_mj_gum18 in

i'm also a newbie & was wondering if any brother or sister had gone thru this same experience?

any advice is welcome.

one knows 1 co 7:39 quite well among the witnesses.

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Brenda,
The dating & 'unfortunate romantic involvements' happened in the past. 'I am the only Witness in a divided household' meaning my parents are not Witnesses. I wasn't born in the truth, but rather born & raised by this world. Born & raised previously by Babylon the Great. I did not marry outside the faith, I never did marry. 'Marrying outside the faith' was your claim, your assumption. I brought up the dating experience to show that one can't expect perfection from those used by Jehovah God, just as we can't expect perfection from Jesus' apostles though guided by the holy spirit. Being guided by the holy spirit does not completely eliminate the effects of Adamic sin including sickness, sin, & human flaws. This is shown by the fact that all those miraculously healed by the holy spirit in Jesus' time eventually grew old & died. Only the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ can completely reverse the effects of Adamic sin. If the apostles themselves were not free from making human errors, should we expect elders & ms to be greater than the apostles? That they will not make mistakes at all? It is interesting to note that despite their imperfections, Jesus himself did not forsake his faithful apostles. And since Jesus closely resembles how Jehovah God acts & thinks, it goes on to follow that Jehovah God did not forsake Jesus' apostles either. [Mt 3:17, Jn 14:9, 10, 20] Jehovah God continually used them despite their imperfections, provided they would accept His correction, in His due time, & humbly acknowledge the guidance given by Jehovah's holy spirit. Once again, you have nothing to worry, if it's simply man's work, it will for sure fail, but if it's Jehovah's work, it will successfully prevail.
[Acts 5:34-39]

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i am new

by knight in

i have read the various posts here an i have my own story to tell i amstill a witness not as active as i used to be but stillfaithful i think the main problem that jws have is that they put c.o's m.s's elders and the like on pedestals and when you do that you set yourself up for a letdown and when that person does something you dont think is right you are letdown but one should not let this block his/her relationship with jehovah.

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Brenda/outnfree, larc, stephenw20:

One question: all these debates are for whose glory? Jehovah God, Jesus Christ or mortal man?

Matthew 12: 31-37
Matthew 24: 42-44, 48-51
1 Peter 2: 19-23

Interesting that Jesus himself never craved for glory from men except that it be directed to Jehovah God alone.

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i am new

by knight in

i have read the various posts here an i have my own story to tell i amstill a witness not as active as i used to be but stillfaithful i think the main problem that jws have is that they put c.o's m.s's elders and the like on pedestals and when you do that you set yourself up for a letdown and when that person does something you dont think is right you are letdown but one should not let this block his/her relationship with jehovah.

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outnfree, larc, & stephenw20,

Matthew 7:6
Job 27:8
Daniel 11:32
Colossians 2:8
1 Timothy 6:3-5, 20, 21
Matthew 7:15-23

Some interesting texts to review, even better with not just the King James Version. Jesus himself has established the organization, true Christianity. In his time, there was no doubt as to who has Jehovah's approval. Logically, the organization who follows that model left by Jesus closely will likewise have Jehovah's approval. Lastly, Jehovah's Day will show.......

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i am new

by knight in

i have read the various posts here an i have my own story to tell i amstill a witness not as active as i used to be but stillfaithful i think the main problem that jws have is that they put c.o's m.s's elders and the like on pedestals and when you do that you set yourself up for a letdown and when that person does something you dont think is right you are letdown but one should not let this block his/her relationship with jehovah.

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battman/dave,

i guess specifics is what you're asking? kings were commanded to make a copy of the Law by hand; priests, scribes, Levites, etc. were to explain the Law to the people; & prophets were sent to remind the people frequently when the first two deviated

the warnings given by Jehovah through the prophets all came true. some of which still reaches & affects our time.

you mean you were yelling? oh, i see. might not be good for your general health.

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i am new

by knight in

i have read the various posts here an i have my own story to tell i amstill a witness not as active as i used to be but stillfaithful i think the main problem that jws have is that they put c.o's m.s's elders and the like on pedestals and when you do that you set yourself up for a letdown and when that person does something you dont think is right you are letdown but one should not let this block his/her relationship with jehovah.

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stephenw20,

as to Christianity facing tough times, true, apostasy was explained by Jesus in his illustration of the wheat & weeds. It was seen at work already while the last apostle, John, still lives & at his death, it has grown full blast.

not dismissing 1700 yrs. as claimed but trying to keep remark concise in view of time & space allotted

about Jesus being a 'spokesman', Jesus is called 'the Word' & note pls. what he says of himself in prayer to Jah: "the sayings that you gave me I have given to them, & they have received them & have certainly come to know that I came out as your representative, & they have believed that you sent me forth". [Jn 17:8] Representative=spokesman

how would one carry out the preaching work? individually without direction? out of random?

'congregations flourished' as in grew in numbers & over the years despite bitter persecution, not 'flourished' as in attain to human perfection from personality flaws

as to apostles arguing who's the greatest, etc. Recall how they were selected? Jesus spent whole night in prayer to Jah before choosing of 12. True, this was prior to the pouring out of the holy spirit as claimed but Jesus' choosing is not entirely without guidance by it. I believe this is in the 4 Gospels.

you're not obligated to agree with me, no one is. neither am i with you. 'Free will' as granted from above.

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i am new

by knight in

i have read the various posts here an i have my own story to tell i amstill a witness not as active as i used to be but stillfaithful i think the main problem that jws have is that they put c.o's m.s's elders and the like on pedestals and when you do that you set yourself up for a letdown and when that person does something you dont think is right you are letdown but one should not let this block his/her relationship with jehovah.

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devilsadvocate_da,
about your question, i think i mentioned who was involved in my reply to Prisca before. an elder.

appointment before was done democratically but now is done theocratically.

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i am new

by knight in

i have read the various posts here an i have my own story to tell i amstill a witness not as active as i used to be but stillfaithful i think the main problem that jws have is that they put c.o's m.s's elders and the like on pedestals and when you do that you set yourself up for a letdown and when that person does something you dont think is right you are letdown but one should not let this block his/her relationship with jehovah.

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outnfree,
can you explain 'spokesman' as you understand it? the reason being, i'm not too sure of how you view it. 'spokesman' is a person who speaks in behalf of others or a group, a mediator, a go-between. so if they're just individuals representing Jehovah, who are they supposed to mediate in between?

also, Jerusalem fell twice.

if the line of channel used by Jah can't be proved clearly as claimed & therefore, no organization, how would one call Jesus' organizing his apostles & the early Christian congregation to do the ministry? without organization?

also, it's a free country, free expressions. if it's merely man's work, it will fail for sure. but if it's Jehovah's work & backing, it will prevail.

66

i am new

by knight in

i have read the various posts here an i have my own story to tell i amstill a witness not as active as i used to be but stillfaithful i think the main problem that jws have is that they put c.o's m.s's elders and the like on pedestals and when you do that you set yourself up for a letdown and when that person does something you dont think is right you are letdown but one should not let this block his/her relationship with jehovah.

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outnfree
First thing's first. I also welcome Mr. Knight & do not intend nor wish to draw away the attention from him. It actually came as a surprise to me that my notes seems to get mixed & various reactions, evoking emotions at times, when the welcome on hand should be directed to Mr. Knight.

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i am new

by knight in

i have read the various posts here an i have my own story to tell i amstill a witness not as active as i used to be but stillfaithful i think the main problem that jws have is that they put c.o's m.s's elders and the like on pedestals and when you do that you set yourself up for a letdown and when that person does something you dont think is right you are letdown but one should not let this block his/her relationship with jehovah.

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TW,
Just a thought. Here's some real life situations: denial of Jesus by Peter on the night of his trial; constant argument of the apostles as to who is greatest among them despite corrections by Jesus; Peter's showing partiality between Jews & Gentiles corrected publicly by Paul; seeming favoritism in the distribution of food in the famine in Jerusalem between Jews & Gentiles, etc.
Men appointed by holy spirit but not perfect. Serious mistakes made to observers or fellow believers at the time. But Jehovah continued to use them for His purpose, provided they accept His correction. Jehovah knows of what happened then & He also knows of what's happening now. With being appointed by holy spirit, a privilege, comes a huge responsibility to use that wisely. Privilege given by Jah equals accountability to Jehovah. Be assured He will act in his time.

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