Posts by West70

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Charles Russell, Alleged Child Abuser

by Farkel in

in the thread about whether charles russell was gay or not, a topic was brought up that i believe deserves a new thread.

as card-carrying apostates we all need to be careful about our information.

even one mistake, whether intentional or not, gives dubs the chance to jump up and say, "see those apostates lied about that thing.

West70

I forgot to take care of this "argument" found in the original post:

"When Maria asked Chuckie if Rose could come and live with them so she could be close to her brother, Chuckie said "If you could teach her how to take care of the correspondence, that would relived you from that for the more important parts of the work." Does it seem logical that Chuckie would want a 10 year old girl to handle correspondence for the Watch Tower Society?"

YES, IT IS LOGICAL if you have studied WT history sufficient to understand what it meant to "take care of correspondence" at WT HQ in the late 1880s.

"Taking care of corrspondence" meant processing literature orders and subscriptions, and other similar duties. Even then, Rose would have been delegated only what a 9-10-11 year old could reasonably handle. She may have started by "picking orders", then "wrapping" and addressing", and eventually probably doing some of the necessary bookkeeping regarding orders, etc., etc. When doing research you have to remember to define terminology as it was then used.

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Charles Russell, Alleged Child Abuser

by Farkel in

in the thread about whether charles russell was gay or not, a topic was brought up that i believe deserves a new thread.

as card-carrying apostates we all need to be careful about our information.

even one mistake, whether intentional or not, gives dubs the chance to jump up and say, "see those apostates lied about that thing.

West70

With all due respect to Barbara Anderson, I do not believe Rose Ball was born in 1869. Possibly her research turned up a different Rose Ball, or if it was the correct person, the date could have been wrong.

I have done a fair amount of research myself, and the one thing I have learned is to make certain documents are referencing the correct person, and if they are, then be careful that any "numbers" (as in dates) can be verified elsewhere.

Anyone that has researched Charles Taze Russell has ran across the "Charles T. Russell" who was a Boston attorney who lived during the same period. There were even a father and son "C. T. Russells", who lived in eastern Pennsylvania at the same time.

Charles Taze Russell stated in the February 15, 1900 WATCH TOWER magazine:

"Of course, Sister Henninges will accompany her husband, not only as his natural help-mate, but as his helper in the Lord's work. We commend our dear sister very highly to you all as a very earnest and faithful child of God and servant of his cause; full of the spirit of self-sacrifice, and firm for every principle of righteousness as she discerns it. Sister Henninges has been a member of the Watch Tower family for twelve years, joining in the office work with her brother when quite young. May God's blessing continue with both these dear members of our family, making them blessings in various ways to the household of faith across the great deep." ---ZWT Feb 15, 1900.

This places "quite young" Rose Ball in WT HQ circa 1887/8. I simply cannot see Russell referring to a 18-19 year old as being "quite young", or his even bothering to make the point if she were that old.

Additionally, please note the dates of the Watch Tower magazines when Rose Ball's poetry first began to be published by Russell. I believe that such started around 1897/8. If Rose was around 20 years old in 1897/8, such sounds about right. Otherwise, one must believe that Russell worked Rose in WT HQ throughout her 20s before he ever got around to publishing her poetry.

The fact that Russell listed her as a Director in 1894 is easily explained away, as is a reasonably intelligent 9-10-11 year old girl doing office work in the late 1800s. At what age did Russell himself start work in his father's business?

Thus, Rose was most likely still a "child" when Russell began showing her whatever improper affection that he did.

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Gilead Missionary Eulogizes JW Deputy Sheriff

by West70 in

just how "jw" was this deputy sheriff?

obituary .

kenneth williams .

West70

I didn't realize that Jehovah's Witnesses who were employed as Police Officers were so common that the topic was no worth discussing.

Oh well, how about some juicy gossip about Gileadites Ray and Sherry Schneider.

To the best of my knowledge, Ray is in his late 50s and never has held a "regular job" since he started pioneering after High School. Bookbinding was just a hobby.

Anyone know what are Sherry's most noticable features?

What was the "real reason" they couldn't continue as missionaries? Why haven't they been promoted to the circuit or district work?

Anyone know if Ray's siblings are still Jdubs?

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WBTS Loses Recent 2005 Federal District Court Case In Puerto Rico

by West70 in

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has this 2005 federal court decision been previously posted?

jehovah's witnesses lose facial challenge to puerto rico controlled access law .

in an opinion that has recently become available, the federal district court in puerto rico last month rejected a facial constitutional attack by jehovah's witnesses to the commonwealth's controlled access law.

West70

Has this 2005 Federal Court Decision been previously posted?

Jehovah's Witnesses Lose Facial Challenge To Puerto Rico Controlled Access Law

In an opinion that has recently become available, the federal district court in Puerto Rico last month rejected a facial constitutional attack by Jehovah's Witnesses to the Commonwealth's Controlled Access Law. In Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York v. Ramos, 2005 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 20652 (USDC PR, Aug. 9, 2005), the law that permits residential associations to close off neighborhoods in order to prevent crime was upheld against a series of First Amendment claims. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that they have a Bible-based duty to tell others about the contents of the Bible, and do this by going door-to-door in residential neighborhoods. The court rejected plaintiffs' facial challenge that claimed the law violated their speech, press, associational and religious exercise rights, as well as Fourth Amendment and right to travel claims. However, the court allowed plaintiffs' to present further evidence on their claims that the law was unconstitutional "as applied" to them.

http://religionclause.blogspot.com/2005/09/jehovahs-witnesses-lose-facial.html

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From Jw to born again .................

by vitty in

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when i was "in" the borg ( i love that word) i really , really believed that when ppl left it, they became like the undead.

with no direction in life and no religion, i felt sorry for them.. i never thought that they became ............born again or heaven forbid catholic !!!!!!.

when i first started looking at sites on the internet i came across www.jwinfoline.com what an eye opener !

West70

If I had read and replied to this thread three years ago, my post would probably have been the one that heaped the most ridicule of all on those other posters claiming to be "Born Again Christians".
Even after learning the truth about the "the lie", I continued to despise people who claimed to be "born again".

All that stopped nearly three years ago, when over a period of a few weeks I was tutored by the Holy Spirit on the topic generally referred to as "the trinity". There wasn't anything particularly noteworthy going on in my life. I despised the Trinity Doctrine just as much as I did people who claimed to be Born Again. I had never been interested in researching the Trinity Doctrine, and I wasn't so at the time that this happened. I had often bragged as a XJW that I could not anticipate ANY SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES under which I would ever believe the essentials of the Trinity Doctrine. Naturally, as someone reared JW, I had no clue about the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, much less that one could be tutored by the HS. But, I was, and a few weeks later I realized that Jesus Christ was now my Lord and Savior; that I had been born again as a Son of God out of my previous "state of death"; and that all this came solely due to the indwelling of the HS, and that all this (God's grace) was gifted to me DESPITE ALL MY NUMEROUS FLAWS, and certainly NOT because of a single thing that I had done to be worthy of such.

WHY I received God's Grace THEN or AT ALL, I cannot tell you. I simply KNOW that I did.

I also know for a fact that every single person reading this post can also experience what I did, even those who will line up to ridicule this post. Three years ago, I would have been first in line if I had read this.

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Gilead Missionary Eulogizes JW Deputy Sheriff

by West70 in

just how "jw" was this deputy sheriff?

obituary .

kenneth williams .

West70

Just how "JW" was this Deputy Sheriff?

OBITUARY

KENNETH WILLIAMS
Kenneth Williams, of Big Stone Gap, passed away Thursday (June 16, 2005) at his residence, after a long illness.
Kenneth was a life-long resident of the area. He was of the Jehovah Witness faith. Kenneth was a deputy for the Wise County Sheriffs Dept. He was preceded in death by his parents, Curt and Ruby Williams.
Survivors include his wife, Letha Williams of the home; two sons, Marvin Lynn Williams, Deetsville, Ala. and Greg Williams, Georgia; two daughters, Katrina Campbell, Florida and Kentra Lee Carter, of the home; two brothers, Chester Williams and Ernie Williams, both of Kingsport, Tenn.; four sisters, Della, Rika, Evelyn Neeley, Denna and husbands and five grandchildren.
Funeral services were held Sunday, June 19 at Gilliam Funeral Home, Big Stone Gap, with Ray Schneider officiating.

Graveside services were held at Powell Valley Memorial Gardens, Big Stone Gap, Monday, June 20.

E-Mail condolences may be sent to [email protected]

Ray Schneider was the owner of R.J. Schneider Bookbinding, which is one of the JW businesses linked from most all JW websites. I say "was" because when I went to his website to email him about the JW status of "Deputy Williams", I discovered that Schneider has closed R.J. Schneider Bookbinding.

At any rate, this was an official JW funeral, because Schneider and wife are former Gilead Missionaries, who came back to the States to Special Pioneer after getting ill in Central America.

Schneider is originally from the Oxnard, California area. His step-father was a wealthy non-JW, who owned some radio stations in southern California.

Can't help but wonder if Schneider stopped bookbinding due to finally getting a mega inheritance, or for some other reason?

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Jehovah's Witness Debate in Southern CA

by Unclepenn1 in

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for anyone who lives in so cal and is interested, we are having a formal debate between a jw and a christian pastor.

the topic of discussion will be the trinity.

the event is wednesday, oct 5th, at 7pm at the rock church in san diego, ca.

West70

If arrangements are completed, you can listen to the debate live:

http://www.unchainedradio.com/nuke/modules.php?name=FormalDebates

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Log Cabin Kingdom Hall

by Ghosthunter in

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if anyone remembers the log cabin kingdom hall in indianapolis, i would love to hear from you.. gh (aka carol)

West70

It was on the West side, and if I recall my visits correctly, it was N of Washington Ave., and it was so hidden that Daniel Boone himself couldn't find it without a map.

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Jehovah's Witnesses Recruiting at colleges...

by TresHappy in

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specifically ohio university.

how can you be against college and recruit new members there?

http://cscwww.cats.ohiou.edu/~jwitness/.

West70

This LETTER TO THE EDITOR from a Jewish Ohio University student was published in the campus newspaper in 2002:

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Invasion of privacy

Editor,

A member of the Jehovah's Witness ministry came to my home Monday and unintentionally (yet greatly) offended me. This visit was inappropriate to begin with, but the things she said were even more so. She stood on my porch asked me if I read my Bible. When I told her I'm Jewish, her reply was, "That's OK." As if I needed a complete stranger to assure me that my religious affiliation is acceptable.

I let her know I didn't think it was right for her to come to my house to have this conversation. It is different to be approached in public where one can choose to leave. But it becomes an invasion of privacy when one is forced to have these conversations in one's own home. I asked her to leave, and still, she stayed. Then, I turned my back on her and went into my house.

Once inside, I looked out the window. I saw her looking at the house and writing on a pad of paper. I went back outside and asked what she was writing. She said, "Jewish girl, not interested." That was the most inappropriate thing of all. Why not simply put "not interested"? Why write down information that could potentially be problematic to me? Who knows into whose hands that information could fall, and what they would do with it?

I felt threatened when I heard this. With the recent proliferation of violence-prone groups like "Sons of the Gestapo" and White Aryan Nations, I feel my fears are justified.

It is OK to have different beliefs, or so I have been raised to think. But please, be respectful of others and their privacy.

Name withheld upon request.

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C.T. Russell: a confirmed Pittsburgh Free Mason

by kid-A in

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there is overwhelming evidence that the spiritual founder of the wts, c.t.

russell, was a prominent free mason in the pittsburgh community.

he went so far as to declare: "i am a free mason" in several of his lectures.

West70

Charles Taze Russell may not have ever been a FreeMason, but this certainly would have not been the first time he had lied about his past, or his past influences. Remember that Russell also stated that he had never been a Second Adventist, plus he stated that he had never received any "truth" from the Second Adventists.

Russell's more significant words at the 1913 Convention were:

"... in fact, some of my very dear friends are Masons, ... precious truths ... ."

The important question here is: Who were these "dear friends", and how did they and their "precious truths" influence Russell and his Watchtower teachings?

By 1913, most of Russell's past associates and even his own relatives had rejected his insanity. Three years prior to his death on Halloween 1916, the only persons whom Russell would have considered to be "friends" would have been his own cult followers, with "dear friends" likely being those in his immediate circle of advisors and associates. This is where the link(s) to freemasonry may be found.