Posts by West70

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Love & Affection Shown Between Charles Taze Russell and Judge JF Rutherford

by West70 in

i am posting this for the consideration of those who "assume" and "rumor" that charles taze russell and j.f.

rutherford were no longer friends in 1916. .

this article by judge j. f. rutherford was published in the december 1, 1916 issue of the watch towe magazine.

West70

Greendawn, you wrote:

"Rutherford was such a pathological liar and distorter of the real facts and nothing he says can be taken at face value. After Russell's death he violated his will for the organisation took it over and transformed it into his personal fiefdom ruled dictatorially by him."

IMHO, what you say is true. Just read all the positive things Rutherford says about Charles Taze Russell.

However, Russell also was "such a pathological liar and distorter of the real facts and nothing he says can be taken at face value."

Rutherford "violated" Russell's Will because the content of Russell's Will was null and void. Russell donated all his assets to the Corporation after the Will was made.

What Russell attempted to accomplish via his Will proves no less than that Russell considered the Society to be a "personal fiefdom ruled dictatorially by" Russell.

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Love & Affection Shown Between Charles Taze Russell and Judge JF Rutherford

by West70 in

i am posting this for the consideration of those who "assume" and "rumor" that charles taze russell and j.f.

rutherford were no longer friends in 1916. .

this article by judge j. f. rutherford was published in the december 1, 1916 issue of the watch towe magazine.

West70

I am posting this for the consideration of those who "assume" and "rumor" that Charles Taze Russell and J.F. Rutherford were no longer friends in 1916.

This article by Judge J. F. Rutherford was published in the December 1, 1916 issue of the Watch Towe magazine. I have edited the excerpt to key in on the portions that relate to the love and affection between these two men:

A PERSONAL TRIBUTE TO THE PASTOR

I cannot pass this moment without paying a personal tribute to Pastor Russell. He was my friend, and a true friend indeed. It is written, "A true friend loves you all the time." I loved him; I know he loved me. Long before I knew Pastor Russell, he had done much for me. While I was engaged in the law practice in the Middle West, there came into my office one day a lady, bearing some books in her arms. ...

Why should not I love him? I know that he loved me. A little incident illustrates this: Several years ago he requested me to go on a mission of importance. After talking with him I said, "Brother Russell, I feel that I cannot do it." He answered, "Yes you can, by the Lord's grace." I said, "I am willing to try." "Go on," he replied, "and I will pray God to give you the wisdom." "I went"; and having succeeded far beyond my expectations I returned and gave him a report. Seated in his study, as I went over the report in detail, his face lighted up with joy; and like a loving father he rose and put his arms around me, drew me to him and kissed me, saying, "Brother, I love you very much." I have walked with him; I have talked with him; I have eaten with him; I have slept with him; ... I count it the greatest honor that I have known to have had Pastor Russell for my true and loyal friend, and that I have been privileged to be associated with him.

... For more than a year prior to his death he suffered a great deal of physical pain, yet never did he murmur. ... A few weeks prior to this last illness, speaking to one whom he loved very dearly and in whom he had great confidence, he said, "I have had such a longing desire to be embraced by the Lord Jesus, to think of myself as the woman, or bride, and to have the Master press me to His bosom. ...

... ... ...

Charles Taze Russell, thou hast, by the Lord, been crowned a king; and through the everlasting ages thy name shall be known amongst the people, and thy enemies shall come and worship at thy feet.

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BIG WEEKEND JW NEWS STORY EXPOSES HEARTLESS CULT

by West70 in

the following newspaper article appears to be the original (and more lengthy and indepth) article from which associated press took their "summarized" (and less informative) story which is being picked up by a number of television stations and newspapers across the u.s. .

this better version should be forwarded to media outlets as a more informative version for their audience.

they also embrace political neutrality.

West70

FairMind:

You "have no pity" for these two SHUNNED fellow humans assuming they were "baptized" as children?

That's certainly a unique judgment for someone posting on this DB.

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Was Charles Taze Russell A Drug User, Drug Abuser, or Even An Addict?

by West70 in

in his lengthy address at russell's funeral, menta sturgeon disclosed the following: .

"you know that our dear brother was so considerate of the feelings of others that he never drew much on the sympathy of the friends --so considerate was he, that but few knew that he had been a physical sufferer for thirty years.".

only a few months after sturgeon made the above disclosure at russell's funeral, this "different version" was published on page 57 of the finished mystery book: .

West70

Stev:

I believe you forgot to color red the word "reasonable" in your quotation of my post.

If you choose to believe that Russell dispense medication to everyone in his family but himself, then go for it.

If you choose to believe that Russell did not take painkillers during the 50 years of the quality and quantity of pain his cult followers would have us believe any of time (other than when discussing possible use of narcotics), then be my guest.

Noone really expects to turn up a previously unknown Charles Taze Russell writings which ChuckieCheese has prefaced:

"I wrote this while stoned out of my mind on codiene (or heroin, or cocaine)."

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Was Charles Taze Russell A Drug User, Drug Abuser, or Even An Addict?

by West70 in

in his lengthy address at russell's funeral, menta sturgeon disclosed the following: .

"you know that our dear brother was so considerate of the feelings of others that he never drew much on the sympathy of the friends --so considerate was he, that but few knew that he had been a physical sufferer for thirty years.".

only a few months after sturgeon made the above disclosure at russell's funeral, this "different version" was published on page 57 of the finished mystery book: .

West70

WHERE is the "moderator alleged" RUMOR in my posts?

My posts contain factual info backed up by excerpts from Watchtower publications.

FACT: Charles Taze Russell suffered from age 14 until his death with "sick headaches". He also suffered with severe hemmorroids for 25, 30, and maybe 40 years depending on the source. Russellites claim he also suffered with cistitis for 40 years.

FACT: He diagnosed minor health problems and acted as drug dispenser for his ow family and other relatives. It is a reasonable assumption then, that Russell did the same for himself, which means that he self-medicated with painkillers his entire adult life.

FACT: In the late 1800s to early 1900s, painkillers consisted of products derived from highly addictive NARCOTICS.

In my initial post, I included reasonable, common-sense QUESTIONS based on those FACTS.

Asking a Russellite whether he/she believes Charles Taze Russell used or abused drugs is sorta like asking a General Motors automobile salesman if he thinks that you should buy a Ford Mustang.

Given the above facts, if some people choose to believe that Charles Taze Russell never used narcotics to relieve his pain during all those years, then be my guest.

Given the above facts, if some people choose to believe that Charles Taze Russell was able to self-medicate with narcotics for 50 years and never become addicted to such, then be my guest.

Given the above facts, if some people choose to believe that Charles Taze Russell was able to self-medicate with narcotics for 50 years without the narcotics somewhere somehow influencing his theology, then be my guest.

The FACT that narcotics based products were pretty much the only available remedies for relieving pain in Russell's day, and the fact that narcotics use was widespread amongst the general populace, does not reduce by one iota the fact that it is "very probable" that the founder of the JWs was a narc addict, and his habit likely impacted his teachings and activities.

THIS IS NOT RUMOR SPREADING.

It is uncovering facts, and making reasonable assumptions based on those facts. If some folks arrive at a different decision, then that's their right to do so. Just don't label other's decision(s) as RUMOR because you don't agree with their decision.

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BIG WEEKEND JW NEWS STORY EXPOSES HEARTLESS CULT

by West70 in

the following newspaper article appears to be the original (and more lengthy and indepth) article from which associated press took their "summarized" (and less informative) story which is being picked up by a number of television stations and newspapers across the u.s. .

this better version should be forwarded to media outlets as a more informative version for their audience.

they also embrace political neutrality.

West70

Sorry about the above link. I used it several times yesterday without it tripping the Registration screen. But, yes, it is now doing so.

The following link at the same originating newspaper just worked:

http://www3.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=251095&r=2&Category=11

However, use this link first, or tryin both in the same seesion may cause the second link to trip the screen.

Thanks for passing this along to others.

Also, BIG THANKS to Danny Hazard for his continuous efforts at exposing the many monstrous faces of this satanic CULT!!!

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Was Charles Taze Russell A Drug User, Drug Abuser, or Even An Addict?

by West70 in

in his lengthy address at russell's funeral, menta sturgeon disclosed the following: .

"you know that our dear brother was so considerate of the feelings of others that he never drew much on the sympathy of the friends --so considerate was he, that but few knew that he had been a physical sufferer for thirty years.".

only a few months after sturgeon made the above disclosure at russell's funeral, this "different version" was published on page 57 of the finished mystery book: .

West70

During his divorce trial in 1906, Russell offered the following testimony in explanation as to why he had sometimes been alone with Rose Ball in her bedroom (back in the 1890s):

"I don't remember the occurrence, but it is very likely it would be true that Mrs. Russell might have come in and found me by the bedside with her hand in mine. I suppose I was feeling her pulse. I don't know anything else. It would be a common occurrence; I gave medicine in the family, and not only to our family, but Mrs. Russell's sister living in the adjoining place. I used to be the family physician over there, they sent to me always for medicine. I happened to have some knowledge of medicine, but if anybody would get bad we would send for a regular physician."

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Was Charles Taze Russell A Drug User, Drug Abuser, or Even An Addict?

by West70 in

in his lengthy address at russell's funeral, menta sturgeon disclosed the following: .

"you know that our dear brother was so considerate of the feelings of others that he never drew much on the sympathy of the friends --so considerate was he, that but few knew that he had been a physical sufferer for thirty years.".

only a few months after sturgeon made the above disclosure at russell's funeral, this "different version" was published on page 57 of the finished mystery book: .

West70

In his lengthy address at Russell's funeral, Menta Sturgeon disclosed the following:

"You know that our dear Brother was so considerate of the feelings of others that he never drew much on the sympathy of the friends --so considerate was he, that but few knew that he had been a physical sufferer for thirty years."

Only a few months after Sturgeon made the above disclosure at Russell's funeral, this "different version" was published on page 57 of THE FINISHED MYSTERY book:

"For fifty years he suffered constantly with sick headaches, due to a fall in his youth, and for twenty-five years had such distressing hemorrhoids that it was impossible for him to rest in the easiest chair; ..."

Evidently, Charles Taze Russell lived in constant pain, or at least that is what he told some of his closest associates who were in a position to observeRussell's intimate personal habits.

According to the account above, Russell would likely have started using "medication" regularly for his reoccurring "sick headaches" back around 1866, when he was only 14 years old.

According to the two accounts above, Russell would likely have started using "medication" for his "distressing hemorrhoids" sometime around 1886 to 1891, when Russell would have been around 34 to 39 years old.

WHAT TYPE OF PAINKILLERS WERE USED IN RUSSELL'S TIME?

I am no expert on such, but from what I have occasionally read and seen on television over the years. addictive narcotic based pain medications were commonly used by the general public. I believe that government regulation of such did not occur until sometime around 1910 or so. Up until then, narcotic based painkillers were readily available from doctors, druggists, and even traveling snakeoil salesmen.

What are the odds that someone with persistant pain for years on end in the latter 1800s never ever used narcotics based painkillers?

What are the odds that someone with persistant pain in the latter 1800s who did use such narcotics could have done so without eventually becoming addicted to such?

What are the odds that a narcotics using or possibly even addicted religious guru in the 1800s was able to function without having his thoughts and decisions affected by his secret demon?

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BIG WEEKEND JW NEWS STORY EXPOSES HEARTLESS CULT

by West70 in

the following newspaper article appears to be the original (and more lengthy and indepth) article from which associated press took their "summarized" (and less informative) story which is being picked up by a number of television stations and newspapers across the u.s. .

this better version should be forwarded to media outlets as a more informative version for their audience.

they also embrace political neutrality.

West70

I don't know whether anyone recalls such, but this isn't the first time this has happened in the past few months.

Wasn't there a Army Ranger killed in Iraq or Afghanistan about 2 months ago, who had been reared JW, and he had signed a Waiver for a military funeral so if he was killed his own JW parents would attend his funeral?

I also believe there was a third instance of a "returning" soldier.

We should also not forget the "reared JW" Vietnam soldier who was killed in combat, and was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for his heroism. His JW Mother and Sister refused to go to the ceremony and accept it. However, curiously, the whole family showed up when a federal building was named in his honor back in the 1990s. I believe his last name was "Sargeant", or something similar.

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Charles Taze Russell & His Secret Mission To S. California That Killed Him

by West70 in

the last 5 months of charles taze russell's life was quite hectic, and according to reports in the watch tower magazine, russell's health was declining throughout.

in september, 1916, russell went on a convention train tour which lasted nearly the entire month.

this train tour included stops in several southern california locations around the 8th through the 12th.

West70

Nathan:

This "story", which appears to me to probably NOT be credible, has been turning up on my own Google searches probably for two years or longer.

I am assuming that other Russell/Watchtower researchers have had the same experience for the same length of time.

I am further assuming that researchers with more time and more resources than I have followed this "story" to its end, and evidently thought it to me erroneous.
After stumbing across the same/similar webpage for the umpteeth time acouple weeks ago, I decided to post this thread to see if my assumptions are correct.

I'm not doing any "I know something you don't", because I don't believe the story is accurate; although there is enough things about it that are "possible", and there are circumstances of Russell's trip that would fit with it being accurate, that I decided to see what others had found out. I did so in this manner because I don't always trust my own research or analysis. I was hoping to have others provide such without having to do so as a challenge to my own.

If someone else who has this info doesn't post it by later today, I will do so myself.

PS: I'll almost bet that our resident Google-expert -- SF -- has been sitting on this story from 10-15 minutes after frst reading my two posts on page 1.