Hey, let's keep it civil here.
That's MISTER lying fuckup, if you don't mind.
ChuckD
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LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER
by You Know inperhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.
as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.
since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.
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LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER
by You Know inperhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.
as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.
since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.
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ChuckD
How about putting some measurable parameters to your prediction. After all, it is easy to say "the financial world is in collapse" (as you yourself have done so many times before) but what EXACTLY do you mean by "crash-down mode" or "full-blown panic"? If were to say (for example) that the Dow will be down below 4,000 by the end of October, or that the Dollar will be worth less than $.10 agaist the Euro, those are concrete benchmarks. Are you willing to put your prediction into some terms that can be objectively measured?
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Remote Viewing
by funkyderek infollowing on from the anybody else had visions?
thread below ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=10144&site=3).
i have offered a prize of 50 american dollars or the equivalent in your currency of choice for whoever can guess (or envision or whatever) the contents of a picture i have chosen.. i will be emailing the picture, in password zip format to [email protected] along with unambiguous details of what qualifies as a correct guess.
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Julien,
WRONG! My target was the collection of angst and ennui floating above lower Manhatten.
But you were close!
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Remote Viewing
by funkyderek infollowing on from the anybody else had visions?
thread below ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=10144&site=3).
i have offered a prize of 50 american dollars or the equivalent in your currency of choice for whoever can guess (or envision or whatever) the contents of a picture i have chosen.. i will be emailing the picture, in password zip format to [email protected] along with unambiguous details of what qualifies as a correct guess.
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ChuckD
Folks,
I have a target in mind which will serve well for this test. It is something quite un-ambiguous, and any incorrect descriptions would be easy to separate from correct ones.
Please tell me what to do - should I take a picture of this "target" and keep it here, display a picture of the target somewhere, simply "think" about it, or provide lat/long for where it is?
Ralph & Glenn, thank you for the detailed information and for participating in this discussion. I must say that this is much different than I though it was, and it seems even more difficult to set up a test based on the descriptions I read in the training manual.
I would be less than honest if I said that I believed this to be possible at all, but I will also say that I would be delighted to be proven wrong. I hope that we can do this simple test to at least establish if there is something there to follow up on. Weather or not the government investigated this means little to me, and I am sure that no matter what their experiences were, there will also be "true beleivers" who will champion its cause. Remember, not that long ago, we had a First Lady who used the services of an astrologer to help her schedule her husband's events. I am sure she beleived that it was helpful, and if asked, could provide plenty of anticecdotal evidence of it having helped.
I also agree with Derek in that someone (not even the person who was supposed to be doing the test) tossing out "car" intermixed with several incorrect pieces of information is hardly convincing at all. If we had 1,000 people doing this, someone would have probably said "Volkswagen." Would we then consider that accurate, and ignore the 999 incorrect submissions?
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In-your-face religion
by SlayerLayer ina fews days ago, i met this elderly jewish man, with such a personaltity.
he said that he was 8 years old when he was in the concentration camp.
his stories amazed me.. anyway, as it turns out, he is now an atheist.
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ChuckD
This was a very interesting article indeed, and it made me think of how I handle these same situations. I must admit that I am guilty of being much more outspoken in my feelings toward someone flaunting their "salvation" through Jesus than I may be to (for example) a co-worker from some distant country who has a statue of a 12-armed Baba Rum Rasin on his or her desk. The idea of adopting a "Isn't that interesting?" attitude is a much better approach overall.
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Remote Viewing
by funkyderek infollowing on from the anybody else had visions?
thread below ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=10144&site=3).
i have offered a prize of 50 american dollars or the equivalent in your currency of choice for whoever can guess (or envision or whatever) the contents of a picture i have chosen.. i will be emailing the picture, in password zip format to [email protected] along with unambiguous details of what qualifies as a correct guess.
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ChuckD
Ralph,
What I still do not understand is HOW the viewer is told what the target is in these tests. In your example with the target being a Church, did someone have to tell the viewer to "go" to a particular location, such as the intersection of two roads, and report what they saw there? For example, let us suppose that there was a clearly defined target here in my city that I wanted you to view remotely. Wouldn't I or someone else need to tell you at least where it was so that you could know where to look?
I do have to take issue with your description of the cow as being an "analytical overlay" when the goal was viewing a church. To me, such a thing would seem indistinguishable from be an incorrect guess. If someone tosses out a number of ideas and concepts, letting only those which match count as "hits" while dismissing the misses is not going to give a very valid result in any test.
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Remote Viewing
by funkyderek infollowing on from the anybody else had visions?
thread below ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=10144&site=3).
i have offered a prize of 50 american dollars or the equivalent in your currency of choice for whoever can guess (or envision or whatever) the contents of a picture i have chosen.. i will be emailing the picture, in password zip format to [email protected] along with unambiguous details of what qualifies as a correct guess.
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ChuckD
I have a couple of questions for those who beleive in this ability.
First, just what is it that you claim to be able to do? From what I am reading, there does not seem to be a lot of agreement on what the bottom line will be here. I had always thought that the idea behind remote viewing was just that - to see something that someone could see if they were in a remote position. Now, if that worked, it would be of great value. A government could, for example, have their representative "look" to see if another force had missiles or troops stationed at location X and so on. Or, to look into a enemy staff meeting to see who was there, or what was on the charts they were holding up. That would be a concrete benefit, if it worked.
I would further assume that anyone doing this would have to specifically know where they should be "looking." If they looked in the wrong place, the information would be of little value.
But the descriptions here don't seem to follow this idea. The viewers have not required that the thing to be "viewed" must be at a specific location, which seems to go against the whole idea of remote viewing (at least how I understood it). It also makes it difficult for both sides to agree upon a target. Could a proponent please tell me exactly what it is that they feel this ability allows them to do, and perhaps give a detailed example?
My second question is this. If you are a person who believes that you have this ability (and I am sure that these folks SINCERELY believe that they do), would you ever agree to a test for which an unsecussful outcome would move you to admit that you do not have this ability after all? Obviously, there is no way to prove that an unsucessful test was not just a fluke, or that the powers were somehow compromised temporarally, but could you ever see yourself saying "I guess I can't do that after all" if the results were negative?
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Irate email
by D wiltshire inbelow is a email i received today.
the person doen't know me except from i think randy watter web site where i post my appeal letter to the body of elders on which i left my email address.
i never told her i wasn't df but she gets facts confussed alot.. anyway i sent the post on barbra anderson from our site to her you might find it interesting so i'm posting it below.. .
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ChuckD
Tina,
It is this one: http://www.freeminds.org/stories/lucky.htm
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Irate email
by D wiltshire inbelow is a email i received today.
the person doen't know me except from i think randy watter web site where i post my appeal letter to the body of elders on which i left my email address.
i never told her i wasn't df but she gets facts confussed alot.. anyway i sent the post on barbra anderson from our site to her you might find it interesting so i'm posting it below.. .
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ChuckD
I have a story on Randy's website which results in my receiving about 2-3 emails a month from people who have read it. About 90% are positive, but the other 10% are like this gem (reproduced exactly as received):
in other words,you dont appreciate discipline fromGOd or
anyone.brainwashed? nah,your mind is filthy with what you want to think instead of truth. witnesses do not believe in the termination of anyone whos not one.however they always without fail believe God who says at john4:24 its a necessty to worship with truth. truths aren't all over the map. read psalm 37:29 and ezekial 18:4. there are many many more but those are just a coupla scriptures witnesses uphold even while everyone else ignores them.as im sure you know but seem to have forgotten . its not hidden from anyone! would you rather have your life i yur hands,an imperfect creation or in Jehovah's, a perfect creator's? your mind is part of your life and im sorry you failed to appreciate discerning use of it.bye. response welcome -
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Remote Viewing
by funkyderek infollowing on from the anybody else had visions?
thread below ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=10144&site=3).
i have offered a prize of 50 american dollars or the equivalent in your currency of choice for whoever can guess (or envision or whatever) the contents of a picture i have chosen.. i will be emailing the picture, in password zip format to [email protected] along with unambiguous details of what qualifies as a correct guess.
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ChuckD
An actual deposit of money in that amount now covers Randi’s funds. Up until two years ago, the $1,000,000 prize was backed by promissory notes of $1,000 or more from individuals who were willing to put their money where Randi’s mouth was. I was one of those supporters for several years, and had $2,000 pledged to the challenge. Each year I had to send in a new, dated agreement The largest single supporter was Penn Gillette (of Penn and Teller) who put up $90,000.
Yes, it is true that Randi (and Houdini) are not scientists. They are slight-of-hand artists who have made their living fooling people on stage. They know what to look for when it comes to trickery – be it intentional or honest-hearted belief on the part of someone that really thinks they have a special power. But never once did either of them claim that their powers came from “beyond.”
Uri Geller will bend a key; Randi will bend a key. Geller claims his bending is done by psychic means. Randi admits that he tricked you and deceived the eye. He also says that if Geller is doing it with supernatural power, he is doing it the hard way.