Posts by Beep,Beep

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My Escape

by Joel Wideman in

my mother was roman catholic and, it turns out, mentally ill. she was rushed into marriage when my father got her pregnant with me.

he was also catholic, a sailor, and an alcoholic.. .

when my father was going to be sent to vietnam, my mother threatened to kill me and herself.

Beep,Beep

"There are a couple of possible explanations for this:"

You forgot one, That it was never intended to come across that the "End" was to occur in 1975.

Seriously, consider this. If 1975 was actually taught and believed to be the "End" why make all the arrangements to RENT the various stadiums, Coliseums and other venues for the 1976 district conventions ? If 1975 was to be the "End", who's to say those buildings would EVEN exist in 1976 ? And who would be around to collect the rent if it all was going to "End" in 1975 ?

"People tend to remember what they want about the context of the past events"

I agree. That's why I asked how much a five year old could actually remember. Why doesn't he mention the announcement for the district conventions to be held in 1976 ?

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My Escape

by Joel Wideman in

my mother was roman catholic and, it turns out, mentally ill. she was rushed into marriage when my father got her pregnant with me.

he was also catholic, a sailor, and an alcoholic.. .

when my father was going to be sent to vietnam, my mother threatened to kill me and herself.

Beep,Beep

Well, correct me if I'm wrong but I believe more STAYED than left. What does that say for your thousands ?

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My Escape

by Joel Wideman in

my mother was roman catholic and, it turns out, mentally ill. she was rushed into marriage when my father got her pregnant with me.

he was also catholic, a sailor, and an alcoholic.. .

when my father was going to be sent to vietnam, my mother threatened to kill me and herself.

Beep,Beep

"You are arrogant in your assumptions that we were all wrong and you are right"

Arrogant ? Hardly but based on personal experience I know I'm right. If that's arrogant in your eyes, it is of no concern to me.

"I have asked my parents about 1975, and they agreed that they believed the end was coming then"

I've never denied that SOME did believe the "END" was coming in 1975. What I WILL deny is that it was TAUGHT.

"I asked my Bro-In-Law, an active elder, and he said yes, we thought that way, don't you remember?"

Once again SOME did think that. However the majority did NOT. All one had to do was look to the Bible, as it is plain that no man knows when the "End" will come, not even the governing body. All a person had to do was THINK!! How hard was that?

Do I expect to convince anyone here, No! But when I see something wrong I'll reply.

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My Escape

by Joel Wideman in

my mother was roman catholic and, it turns out, mentally ill. she was rushed into marriage when my father got her pregnant with me.

he was also catholic, a sailor, and an alcoholic.. .

when my father was going to be sent to vietnam, my mother threatened to kill me and herself.

Beep,Beep

""Well if I was a co or do and had these tapes, when 1975 came and went I would destroy these tapes and claim to high heaven "they never existed".""

Even those who left because 1975 wasn't the "End" ? Please get real. If I had such a "smoking gun"and I left because of a "failed prophecy" I would reproduce it and distribute it as far as possible. The lack of any such tapes speaks volumes to me.

There is another problem with your theory:

What about recordings in private hands, in the hands of individual Witnesses during that time? Why have no of those who left over 1975 issue been able to produce such tapes out of their private collection ? Now do you see how silly this claim is ?

Childish and ridiculous ? Funny I was thinking the same thing about those who INSIST that such was taught.

Lie about my experiences, why ? Of what possible value would that be?

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My Escape

by Joel Wideman in

my mother was roman catholic and, it turns out, mentally ill. she was rushed into marriage when my father got her pregnant with me.

he was also catholic, a sailor, and an alcoholic.. .

when my father was going to be sent to vietnam, my mother threatened to kill me and herself.

Beep,Beep

Or you are willing to lie about yours'

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My Escape

by Joel Wideman in

my mother was roman catholic and, it turns out, mentally ill. she was rushed into marriage when my father got her pregnant with me.

he was also catholic, a sailor, and an alcoholic.. .

when my father was going to be sent to vietnam, my mother threatened to kill me and herself.

Beep,Beep

""I used to work in auditing and would often tape the program.

No babies allowed and sometimes there was a fan blowing on my recorder""

That may well be. However the first time I came across this recording, the person who presented it as "evidence" stated that she had recorded it at her seat during the convention.

I did lots of recording at my seat and there is NO WAY to eliminate the background noises. Sometimes the coughing or the crying would completely overpower the speaker.

Try it some time. See how much background noise you get at a large gathering .

And please, I know the difference between the sound of a fan and the sound of the wind.

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My Escape

by Joel Wideman in

my mother was roman catholic and, it turns out, mentally ill. she was rushed into marriage when my father got her pregnant with me.

he was also catholic, a sailor, and an alcoholic.. .

when my father was going to be sent to vietnam, my mother threatened to kill me and herself.

Beep,Beep

""Why do you refuse to believe those of us who were there at that time??""

How about for the very reason that I was there too !!! I was there from early 1966 through 1980.

""Also every time a co came to town there were tapes played of other individuals high up in the wbts that DID CLEARLY ; INDICATE THAT 1975 WAS THE YEAR OF ARMAGEDDON IN THEIR TALKS AT OTHER KINGDOM HALLS.""

And yet no one has been able to produce these other tapes. Isn't that strange ?

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My Escape

by Joel Wideman in

my mother was roman catholic and, it turns out, mentally ill. she was rushed into marriage when my father got her pregnant with me.

he was also catholic, a sailor, and an alcoholic.. .

when my father was going to be sent to vietnam, my mother threatened to kill me and herself.

Beep,Beep

You know I have listened to this recording. It's a terrible recording which might be the only point in it's favor. I have some problems with it however. The first is that there seems to be a steady wind blowing across the microphone or whatever is being used to make the recording. Second and even harder to explain or accept is the LACK of background noises. There is no one coughing, there are no babies crying, no young children making noises. Sorry but having made similar recordings in the past this is almost impossible to do unless one is tied directly into the sound system. But if it was tied into the sound system there shouldn't be the sound of the wind blowing.

Another point is, while I don't know the exact number of district conventions that year I would be willing to guess that this brother, Charles Sunutko didn't give this talk at all of them. I have spoken with a brother who did deliver this talk at another convention. He still has the outline and that thought was NOT, repeat NOT, part of the outline. Sunutko appears to have injected his thoughts into his delivery. That was coomon then.

I find it fascinating that whenever someone brings this talk up it is ALWAYS by Charles Sunutko. Wonder why that is ? Hmmm!

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My Escape

by Joel Wideman in

my mother was roman catholic and, it turns out, mentally ill. she was rushed into marriage when my father got her pregnant with me.

he was also catholic, a sailor, and an alcoholic.. .

when my father was going to be sent to vietnam, my mother threatened to kill me and herself.

Beep,Beep

P.S. ; you should obey your mother and stay away from the evil apostate web sites

By your p.s. you assume I still am a Witness. You are aware of what happens when you assume aren't you ?

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My Escape

by Joel Wideman in

my mother was roman catholic and, it turns out, mentally ill. she was rushed into marriage when my father got her pregnant with me.

he was also catholic, a sailor, and an alcoholic.. .

when my father was going to be sent to vietnam, my mother threatened to kill me and herself.

Beep,Beep

Sorry. I chose 1975 because it is the easiest to show people you are wrong. Since I was there and read and heard the same thing as those who left did who else can be responsible ?

I really take offense at the harboring of child molester claim as well. Nothing could be further from the truth. More than twenty years ago my nephew was abused by his father. The quickest way to have a second witness to the abuse is a visit to a DOCTOR!! That's all it would take. That's all it did take in my nephew's case. This father was disfellowshipped, went to trial, and eventually pleaded guilty. The sad part is the court decided 9 months to 59 months was all the crime required. He was in for 10! So for all those who did not take the simple step of seeing a doctor, who's at fault here ?

I read of your family life. I'm sorry it was so bad, but answer me this. Who is at fault there ? Who's to blame because your parents were not up to the task of making a marriage work ? Who is to blame that they were such lousy parents ?

I'm tired of all the "cry baby, refuse to accept responsiblity for my own actions" tales that show up on the internet. It reminds of of a song by the Eagles.

""Victim of this/ victim of that/ momma's too thin/ and your daddy's to fat/ Get over it"