Posts by circare

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Feeling desperate................

by nicolaou in

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friends

please listen.

im not the first to go through this, i wont be the last.. i was raised in the truth as a result of my mum starting a study when i was 4 years old.

that was in 1968. the hysteria of a 1975/armageddon was just beginning to take root and the sister who studied with my mum was 100% sure of it.

circare

Hi Nic,
I am sorry you are in such an unpalatable situation at the moment. I feel for both yourself, and your wife and children, as you work through this difficult time for you all. I have enjoyed reading all the posts and seeing the different viewpoints and suggestions. A lot of food for thought here so I hope you don't mind if I add another late thought to it.

Situations that could be irksome can sometimes be handled quite easily simply by viewing things from a slightly different angle. For example a wife may accompany her husband to football matches, not because she likes football, but because she likes her husband. A husband may accompany his wife clothes shopping, not because he likes clothes shopping (uggh), but because he likes his wife.

In this particular case you would not be accompanying your family to please or to displease the elders, or to follow the dictates of some organisation, because they no longer fit into the picture for you. You would be doing it simply because that is what your family likes, (at this time).

It is my experience that a great forte of the male of the species, when their family is involved, is self-sacrifice, followed by another forte of patience. How many years have your wife and children been witnesses? Could you not allow them, at the least, that many months to become unwitnesses?

One of my favourite sayings is 'when the student is ready the teacher appears'. You have the opportunity to be the teacher for your family when they are ready.

5

Anniversary

by circare in

hi simon,.

i was wondering, do we have an anniversay/b.day, (label it as you will) coming up this week?

it seems to me that my initial registration form is almost 1 year old.. are we planning any celebration to mark the occasion simon?

circare

Hey yank

What! A surprise party for me? Oh you shouldn't have!

Silly! Not for me,for Simon's place here. The DB will be 1 yr old about the 23rd I think. Is that right Simon?

5

Anniversary

by circare in

hi simon,.

i was wondering, do we have an anniversay/b.day, (label it as you will) coming up this week?

it seems to me that my initial registration form is almost 1 year old.. are we planning any celebration to mark the occasion simon?

circare

Hi Simon,

I was wondering, do we have an anniversay/b.day, (label it as you will) coming up this week? It seems to me that my initial registration form is almost 1 year old.

Are we planning any celebration to mark the occasion Simon?

10

Watchtower's "Motto"...

by Tallyman in

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friends

...which most present-day kultists don't know about.... here_ya_go* http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/wtmotto.html.

...which is another big fat joke!.

edited by - tallyman on 17 march 2001 14:13:55

circare

Lurker no more What an especially disappointing post!

Can you not find it within you to be more charitable?

Perhaps you have mistakenly come to the persuasion that by attacking another's misfortunes you somehow protect yourself? Or perhaps you are of the mistaken view that by showing this aggression you are in some way stronger or better?

Perplexed by your attitude.

Edited by - circare on 17 March 2001 19:52:42

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Why do only 144,000 go to heaven?

by Bruce144 in

just found this new site, gave up on h2o a few days ago and h3o is a waste of time.. hoping there may be more witnesses here that are concerned about new light hidden by the gb for years, my story is below.

please take your time and check things out.

you people of the world, listen to what i say.

circare

Hello Bruce,

Welcome to Simon and Angharad's place. I hope you enjoy the company here.

I am sorry to hear of your illness and it's accompanying disabilities. It must be very frustrating for you. I am sure you will find company and friendship here to help distract you from your problems a little.

15

NUBIE ON CITE

by dark clouds in

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friends

want to start this out by saying thank you simon .

its been a few weeks since i joined cyberspace, prior to navigating i had no idea their was a place for ex jw's to chat or meet.

the concept is fabulous.

circare

Welcome dark clouds, riz, unanswered, riley girl, Esmerelda, myMichelle, anglise and Farkel. Nice to see new faces.

Simon and Angharad are going to need an 'extension' added to their place to fit us all in soon.

22

Their Time Will Come.....

by ISP in

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friends

despite an abundance of evidence that hits at the heart of the wts, it should be no surprise that many seem to ignore everything and continue.

you may wonder why particularly as many of us were in the wts and did not ignore the comprehensive mass of proof against the claims and teachings made.

typically brothers can enjoy themselves as elders.

circare

G'day ISP

I enjoyed the equitable tenor of your post. Thanks.

Like Englishman I thought Spain sounded pretty good too. Perhaps we could get Simon and Angharad to move there instead of Canada and then we can all retire to their little commune?

Any reports of foot in mouth in Spain?

21

Christmas Shopping

by Duncan in

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friends

dear all.

i'm a new chap here, one of the old h2o refugees who seem to have been streaming to this place recently.. englishman suggested i post my "christmas shopping" post as a kind of introductory-hi-and-how-are-you.

hope you like it, despite it not being terribly seasonal at the moment.. i'll look forward to posting here in the future (original stuff i mean, not just reheated "greatest hits" like this).

circare

Hello Duncan,

Enjoyed your descriptive 'near Armageddon' experience. Great sense of humour. I will never be able to queue at an ATM without trepidation again.

Welcome to Simon and Angharad's place. Looking forward to hearing more from you.

62

Child Molestation

by Friend in

following is a slightly improved version of something i posted onto various web site forums a few months ago.

i hope it helps those working so hard on this subject.

what is revealed about the societys motivations regarding reporting (or not) of child abuse to secular authorities?

circare

Focus

I thank you for taking my words at face value. I was not attempting humility, but trying to make the point that I am just your average 'joe blow', and yes part of the 'majority'. I'm not sure however, why that makes me any more unaware of Friend's hidden agenda than anyone else's, including yours? Yes I agree with you, there are times when Friend's manner is condescending. Friend does though point out the flaws in the reasonings presented and the sweeping generalisations that are often made. It seems to me that we all too often attack the person when we don't like the message, instead of considering the message itself.

I think you are correct about my insecurity. I think this insecurity stems from the perception that perhaps in associating here I have not left behind the WTS after all. It seems that many are still playing the same 'game' just with different team colours, (and I am not referring to Friend here).

For some of us sensationalism does not work. For some of us fanaticism does not work If you are writing for the 'media' I can understand your using that style. The majority here on this db however, are not members of the media.

You are right, I got carried away. The issues were not totally clouded, just clouded.

It is precisely because I have a distaste for the WTS dessembling that I feel we need to be more careful with the arguments we present and the style in which they are presented. Otherwise we come across as just another disgruntled former member, which allows people to brush aside any message we may have.

Imo the greatest tool for those that want to 'save' others from the WTS is to show that we are well adjusted, reasonable people who have a happy and fulfilled life outside the WTS. When others have doubts and are looking for someone to talk with it will not be with bitter, raving fanatics attacking one another, but people who can display patience, love, understanding and reasoning abilities.

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Neanderthals and the Bible?

by uncle_onion in

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friends

i am doing some research on neanderthals.

we know that this species existed and by very recent dna test we can tell that they are definitely not human.has any one done anything on this subject or the accuracy of carbon dating?

circare

Thanks Uncle Onion and Thirdson for finding this info and sharing.

I can't say that I understand very well what is being said but I do find it interesting. I was wondering if anyone knew if they have been able to extract any of the mt(DNA) of the Cro-Magnons and if these have been compared to the Neanderthals as well as modern man? I have done a little 'surfing' but haven't been able to find anything relevant yet.