Child Molestation

by Friend 62 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • Friend
    Friend

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    Following is a slightly improved version of something I posted onto various web site forums a few months ago. I hope it helps those working so hard on this subject.

    Smoking Gun?

    What is revealed about the Society’s motivations regarding reporting (or not) of child abuse to secular authorities? It is revealed that the Society wants to keep reports of child abuse very private within JW circles. It is revealed that though a sexual predator of children is a threat to an entire community the Society still prefers to keep knowledge of such a person’s conduct privileged. It is revealed that this is a deplorable act, an act of selfishness on the part of the Society.

    As a religious guide the question the Society must answer is this: Is it right to provide reports of known child abuse to the secular authorities? An additional question is: Is it right to provide reports of suspected child abuse to secular authorities? The Society’s actions demonstrate that they do think it is right to make such reports but they do not apply that conclusion uniformly. What does that mean?

    There is perhaps no argument that one single policy from the Society could practically and uniformly deal with reports of child abuse. Why is that? It is because protection and justice from community to community differs sometimes so significantly that how moral people respond to that authority must differ. For example, some governments and communities in this wide world are prone to executing first and investigating second—if at all. Understandably, in such communities moral people are far more reluctant to report suspected cases of child abuse or even cases that are somewhat evidenced but not evidenced decisively to the levelheaded and reasonable person. But the Society’s actions do not stem from potential injustice or lack of protection from secular authorities. How do we know that?

    Circumstances in the United States actually illustrate well that the Society wants to keep reports of child abuse very private within its own sphere of influence, but its actions in that nation also betray the Society’s real incentive, which incentive has nothing whatsoever to do with what is best for children. In the United States it is true that laws addressing child abuse vary from state to state. Nevertheless among secular authorities throughout that nation the prudence, protection and justice provided stemming from reported child abuse is pretty uniform in that protection and justice is generally the same from one jurisdiction to another from state to state. But, in the United States admittedly the Society’s action of reporting (or not) of child abuse has nothing whatsoever to do with a jurisdiction’s protective, investigative and/or prosecutorial record and everything to do with penal code! (And not one of those codes prohibits elders [clergy] from reporting known child abuse) That is why the Society tells some elder bodies to report known child abuse and others that they need not report. The question becomes, why would the Society direct elders to report in some jurisdictions but not in other jurisdictions with everything else being equal in terms of protection and justice afforded? There is only one answer and it is the one given above. The Society wants to keep reports of child abuse very private within its own sphere of influence.

    If the Society felt otherwise then they would insist that elder bodies act uniformly by reporting known and suspected child abuse throughout the United States and other jurisdictions having a reasonably similar record of prudence, protection and justice from law enforcement authorities. At the very least the Society would explicitly encourage that victims report this insidious crime! The Society has already demonstrated that reporting known and suspected child abuse is not in violation of any Biblical tenets because in jurisdictions requiring such reporting they tell elders to comply with those reporting laws. So, if there is no Biblical violation then why not report uniformly (or at least actively encourage that victims report) when protection and enforcement is reasonably equal? Again, there is only one reason and it is one having to do with an ill-conceived notion of preservation. Just what they are trying to preserve is not all that difficult to determine. What is the object of that ill-conceived preservation?

    If theirs was some legitimate Biblical concern about protecting the reputation of God’s name, Jehovah (as if we need to protect Him!), or meeting some Biblical requirement then the Society would have to uniformly either prohibit or require reporting, but that is not what it has done. By instructing some elders to comply with penal code that requires reporting the Society has in essence said, it is morally okay to report these cases. So, if it is moral then why not uniformly report when all else is reasonably equal? The only object of preservation left becomes a selfish one.

    By its deplorable action the Society has demonstrated that it is less concerned with the real and day-to-day interests of helpless and innocent children than it is with its own instrumentational viability. The internal strife and anger on this issue runs deep and it is heating up! The Society should have listened to its battery of lawyers years ago when they advised a uniform policy of reporting child abuse when protection and justice is reasonable expected.

    Why did the Society want those letters reproduced on this and other forums held in such strict confidence? Because they betray the Society’s self-interest gained at the expense of children and their families! In the end their interests will suffer over this and other issues.

    That is quite a smoking gun, and it is undeniable! In fact, in recent weeks the Society’s own attorneys have admitted (apparently without thinking through it very well as attorneys) that the Society’s policies have been far too inadequate because they have admitted to knowing of botched cases in spite of policies in place, which policies include the matter of training and verification of understanding stemming from that training (or lack of). How else could they claim to know of cases where elders ‘did not follow directions’ without it being de facto admission of known inadequacy on the part if the Society’s representatives and therefore bad policy? The problem with the sort of inadequacies spoken of here is that it should take only a very few cases (perhaps just one!) to realize a flaw in the system (policy) and correct it. This has not happened in the obvious ways it needs to be done in relation to reporting incidents to legitimate authorities. One problem the Society will face is the potentially huge numbers who will be willing to come forth and testify to this lack and do so with one voice. That number will certainly be more than just a few, in fact it already is.

    Just how deep the Society will yet mire itself in this sordid affair is yet to be seen, but what lay ahead will become even more untenable and nasty unless some major change is enacted by decision-makers at Brooklyn Bethel on a number of key issues into compliance with that which is sound and moral based upon the Bible, most importantly in those issues involving blood and child abuse.

    Friend

    Smoking guns:

    1. Internal inconsistencies in Society policy regarding reports of child molestation.

    Evidence: Comparison of internal letters between the Society and its facilitators (elders). This comparison is magnified because it leaves off explicit directions that elders (facilitators) encourage reporting of the worst cases of sexual child molestation to secular authorities even though its official and public publications direct that very thing.

    2. Admission of failures without corresponding and significant change in policy.

    Evidence: Various news interviews of Society representatives.

    3. Growing numbers of victims willing be report this failure of policy.

    Evidence: Various news interviews of victims.

    Number two (2) is the biggest problem for the Society because it is the key that links lower level ‘managers’ to the ‘higher ups,’ and it is the ‘higher ups’ that are most responsible. Number one (1) shows a theoretical flaw causing potential failure. Number three (3) demonstrates there is an actual failure. But, number two (2) is an admission that this failure was already known by ‘higher ups.’ That point should be harped upon and fully developed because it is the proverbial Achilles Heal in terms of juror’s prudence.

  • TR
    TR

    Now,

    if only the WTS itself could publish your words, Friend. My question to you is, do you think this is God's organization and why should it take people like you to try to reform it? Please forgive the questions, but it's never been clarified for me. Maybe I missed something.

    The WTS is acting like any other big corporation caught with it's hand in the cookie jar. With it's spin doctors and harem of lawyers, why in the world would I think this is God's org? It's a rediculous thought.

    TR

  • larc
    larc

    Friend,

    You are a very intelligent, articulate person. Why don't you get out of the "organization" or as I would rather call it "the machine", so that you can make a difference. You will never be able to reform this massive system.

  • Friend
    Friend

    TR

    My question to you [Friend], do you think this is God's organization and why should it take people like you to try to reform it?

    As I said before to you, “I do not believe the Society is God’s organization any more so than I think any one of a myriad of others is.” (See: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=3035&page=7&site=3)

    As for reform, world society is in a state of constant reform. Every community in the world is constantly in a state of reform. The community of Jehovah’s Witnesses is no different. My efforts are not so much toward reforming the Watchtower Society as it is reforming the community of Jehovah’s Witnesses. However, as it is with any community, you have to decide from where reform is more aptly effected and then influence from that direction (or directions). I am not very different from a citizen of state who is trying to work hard at improving life in the community of people that they have grown to love and appreciate. Frankly, though I can understand why people decide to leave a given community (and am not critical of that choice), I do not understand those who constantly deprecate the ones (usually few) who fight for change rather than run away to something else. There is nothing wrong with the people making up Jehovah’s Witnesses. In many respects it is a very commendable community of people who are trying their best to live moral lives and raise families accordingly. It is confusing to the sense that anyone would, or must, wonder why someone like others and me should take action by stirring reform in that community. Shouldn’t we all be stirring for the betterment of the community we have chosen to reside amidst?

    larc

    Why don't you get out of the "organization" or as I would rather call it "the machine", so that you can make a difference. You will never be able to reform this massive system.

    Do you leave your chosen community because you don’t like the politics or particular laws? Certainly some people do just that and should not necessarily be criticized for doing so. But what of those that stay and fight for change when people’s lives are at stake? Why are they somehow bad or less than those who otherwise work for change?

    As for your assertion that the system of the Watchtower Society is unreformable, I have never seen such a thing. If anything the Society has demonstrated a propensity for change throughout its existence! Nowhere is that more evidenced than in its teachings!

    Do you suppose the Soviet Union was unreformable? Do you think the obvious reformation in progress therein would be where it is today without persons working also from the inside? Do you think because the Soviet Union represented some nasty things that Soviets are bad people? What of those who worked hard for change? Are they bad people? Should we criticize them for working to better their community?

    Friend

    Edited by - Friend on 13 March 2001 12:37:51

  • Duncan
    Duncan

    Dear Friend,

    You wrote

    “…though a sexual predator of children is a threat to an entire community the Society still prefers to keep knowledge of such a person’s conduct privileged. …this is a deplorable act, an act of selfishness on the part of the Society.”

    and

    “…the Society has demonstrated that it is less concerned with the real and day-to-day interests of helpless and innocent children than it is with its own instrumentational viability.”

    Now, I, for one, am delighted to see in this post you seeming to be on the right side of this issue. But now I wonder what all that arguing with Focus on the other thread was about. Your stance is a puzzle, and not just to me, I think.

    Is it the case that you’ll write stuff, like the above, encouraging replies from posters generally supporting you/r position and then turn on those same posters, subjecting their material to forensic and minute semantic examination only to end up declaring that we’ve all “missed the point” and we “need to be more precise” and that none of the criticisms of the Society are valid etc. etc. - (as your track record indicates you’re likely to do) ?

    What is your purpose? Do you want the Society to be brought to book on these matters? Are you active in some way in remedying the deplorable situation you describe above?

    Duncan.

  • TR
    TR

    Friend,

    It is confusing to the sense that anyone would, or must, wonder why someone like others and me should take action by stirring reform in that community. Shouldn’t we all be stirring for the betterment of the community we have chosen to reside amidst?

    But why reside in a community that is headed up by the WTS, whose many claims, such as being God's only channel, is false? I want to make changes in MY community too. It is made up of imperfect people governed by imperfect government, but they don't claim to be God's chosen. The idea is to GET RID OF the fascets of society that are detrimental to society. Such as the Aryan nations that was successfully sued in my area and is now bankrupt. There are still believers, but a major national spotlight has been focused on the evils of such a theology.

    I would think that your best efforts might be directed towards keeping others from becoming JW's and supporting the WTS. Or helping current JW's see the WTS for what it is, a fraud, and help them leave the WTS.

    TR

    Edited by - TR on 13 March 2001 12:39:29

  • larc
    larc

    Friend,

    I am puzzled as well. I you are not a "company man", why did you choose this particular organization to try to reform? Why is this you cause?

  • Friend
    Friend

    Duncan

    But now I wonder what all that arguing with Focus on the other thread was about. Your stance is a puzzle, and not just to me, I think.

    Is it the case that you’ll write stuff, like the above, encouraging replies from posters generally supporting you/r position and then turn on those same posters, subjecting their material to forensic and minute semantic examination only to end up declaring that we’ve all “missed the point” and we “need to be more precise” and that none of the criticisms of the Society are valid etc. etc. - (as your track record indicates you’re likely to do)?

    I did not “turn” on Focus or anyone else. My action on that other thread was no more than to try and correct an errant assertion that Focus made in the beginning of his post on this subject. If he did not mean his assertion to say what it said then he could have easily changed that by changing it to something closer to his intentions. But he did not do that. Instead he went on an escapade of vilifying me rather than calmly talking about what I pointed out. That was his choice, not mine. Readers on this and other forums will vouch that I am willing to calmly discuss issues without making it personal. On the other hand, if some half-cocked idiot starts in with the personal insults as did Focus, I will give it back as good as I get it, at least to the point that other, sensible readers can see the facts at hand. At that point I just ignore idiots for what they are, which is exactly what I did in the case of Focus. As long as he goes about what he does as he does, I want no part with him. His modus operandi is disgusting.

    What Focus was never able to admit (or see) is that my actions were to enhance his complaints rather than tear them down. That he chooses to argue otherwise only alienates him from persons who could help him improve his criticisms by making them more precise and hard hitting. Please remember that hitting balls out of the park is meaningless unless it is done within certain boundaries. In this case, Focus makes lots of noise, but some of it is needlessly out of the bounds of evidence. (I say “needless” because he could make the same point as he wants without the errant assertion. He apparently wants to ignore that.) That tends to lessen the effectiveness of such criticisms as he makes. Its not that he will have no affect, its just that assertions that are weak or inaccurate leave the door open for others to say, “Look, he is wrong about this or that so why should we believe anything else he says!” I know perfectly well that such a PR appeal is fallacious. But the fact of the matter is that humans do not always have the time to consider everything that someone says so they tend to turn off their consideration when they run across error.

    BTW, if you feel my close examination of criticism is bad, just what would you have Jehovah’s Witnesses do? Are we using two sets of scales here? Isn’t it better to closely consider issues in order to arrive as close to truth as possible? Otherwise, for reasons described above, it is a favor that people like me put criticisms favoring or opposed to the Society to the test. Why anyone would object to that I cannot understand. It is unsound to closely examine only one side of a story, experience or fact. In the end my interest lay in helping the people of Jehovah’s Witnesses. If my offering of facts or reasoning thereof has the effect of defending some aspect of the Society then that is only a byproduct of standing up for facts. Again, what exactly is wrong with standing up for facts is alien to me. Perhaps you can enlighten me? As far as I am concerned each of us should stand up for whatever is true and then let the chips fall where they may. To the best of my ability that is exactly what I do.

    TR

    But why reside in a community that is headed up by the WTS, whose many claims, such as being God's only channel, is false? I want to make changes in MY community too. It is made up of imperfect people governed by imperfect government. The idea is to GET RID OF the fascets of society that are detrimental to society. Such as the Aryan nations that was successfully sued in my area and is now bankrupt. There are still believers, but a major national spotlight has been focused on the evils of such a theology.

    I would think that your best efforts might be directed towards keeping others from becoming JW's and supporting the WTS. Or helping current JW's see the WTS for what it is, a fraud, and help them leave the WTS.

    Do not think that living in a community means giving up your will to act as you wish. Because I actively associate with Jehovah’s Witnesses does not mean that the Society dictates how I choose to respond to people and help where possible. It does not change my personal beliefs either! If my representing truth has the effect of discouraging people from becoming Jehovah’s Witnesses then that is well and good. If it has the opposite effect that is okay too. It is not up to you or I to encourage or discourage anyone from whatever. It is our responsibility to better instruct those who are exposed to us in order that they can make more informed and better choices in life, whatever the aspect. Should someone know and comprehend all there is to know about the Society and yet still choose association with Jehovah’s Witnesses is not for you or I to criticize. It is better to stand up for whatever is true and then let the chips fall where they may, which includes letting people decide their own course in life. Should I pressure you to decide other than you have?

    larc

    I am puzzled as well. I you are not a "company man", why did you choose this particular organization to try to reform? Why is this you cause?

    Nor am I a “company man,” as has so often be misapplied to me. I am my own man, and I man of God, I hope. In the end I chose my association with Jehovah’s Witnesses because I love the people of Jehovah’s Witnesses. I think they are fine and good people who are just doing their very best to live moral lives, and I like that. I also enjoy the great diversity of people making up Jehovah’s Witnesses. As one of my friends likes to say, “There is no better melting pot in the world!” I agree with that. To a large degree those people have been able to set aside other prejudicial influences in life and live together as a community, and they do this out of the one common interest of just wanting to live moral lives, which morality happens to be formed from their beliefs about the Bible. Because of my love of these people I defend them with a passion (not the WTS, but JWs!). I also work to make their lives (all our lives) better by actively pursuing needed change.

    Friend

    Edited by - Friend on 13 March 2001 13:33:27

  • larc
    larc

    Friend,

    I think you came close to answering my question. However, there has to be more to your decision than you have explained so far. Again, why did you pick this particular group of "good people". Why not the Amish, per my recent post about them, or any other well meaning group?

  • Tina
    Tina

    Freind,
    It's not a melting pot,it's conformity....no organization can be reformed without the right to crtically debate issues,a sort of checks and balances where all have input,,,this just isn't so among them,,,,,,,even if they corrected their reporting policy,there is still too much wrong,,,it's still totalitarian.
    The control on who one should marry,mode of attire,what music and art one can enjoy,in short ones lifestyle is legislated,,there is little free choice......women are still second class in that system.
    The abusive practice of disfellowshipping keeps too many in a fear state........the wts while crying for religious freedom.violates the civil and human rights of its very own members.
    Name one ,just one charitable program that assists all regardless of creed......where are the food pantries,crisis centers,homeless shelters etc etc for their own members?
    Just MO,Tina

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