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Marry Christmas Jan-evolution goes down in flames

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darwin on trial is the title of a book on evolution that has ruffled the feathers of the secular scientific community.

though a christian, author philip johnson critiques evolutionary theory from a secular standpoint as he examines the philosophical games many scientists play to protect their evolutionary ideology.

johnson, a law professor at the university of california at berkeley, attacks head-on the often-heard statement that evolution is both a fact and a theory, an evolutionary dogma that has been a major source of confusion for a long time.

clash_city_rockers

Hi every one

I'll try to respond to most of you Like David, Windy, rem and Erich....

David, Your getting it down.... keep at it we ought to do lunch this week. Pick a place you name it.

1. This Italian place on the south end of Winchester Blvd. in Cambell/San Jose near Safeway and these movie theater and a Kung Fu acadamy.

2. We could do Sushi at the Kenokinia Shpping Plaza on Saratoga Ave Just South of 280 in San Jose.

3. We could hang out at The Lion and Lamb Christian Book Store (the coolest book store in the Bay Area that sells the coolest calvinist, puritian, Van Tillian Presupposionalist Apologetics books that everyone loves) Located on the courner of Stevens Creek Blvd and De Anza Blvd in Coupertino.

4. We could hang out at Berean Book store and walk over to McDonalds on Meridian Ave in San Jose.

5. How about some Korean BBQ in K-town in Sunnyville on El Camino Real near Kyopo Market.

6. There is this pretty good Jewish Deli on Alameda ave. south of 280 Near Bascom Ave. San Jose

7. How about Mexican Downtown SJ near 2nd and Santa Clara.

8. Another Itailan place that has the best strombolis in the world. Its near Almeden Expressway and Camden Ave about one block near this huge calvery chapel mega church is at.

9. Finaly Cantoneese place on University in Palo Alto

pick a place.

Wendy Responding to David writes: snip

"I understand what you are trying to say, but I am afraid that it is just one outlook on this. Part of survival is getting along
with others so that you will prosper. Now you are saying survial of the fittest is the evolutionary way. This does not mean that you kill everyone but yourself. That would serve no purpose. If you want to get down to the nitty gritty and pick apart why we have the morals we have, you will need to look individually at them. Do you want to? I hate to spend all that time if you are not interested. But I could probably pick every act and explain in a logical way why we should not commit them."

Response: Wendy, Wendy, Wendy,
You can not explain why we should not commit acts of moral evil and yet at the same time hold on to the athiest dogma of moral relitivism. The dielectical tention(internal contradiction) is too great for you to overcome. On one hand you want to impose a moral standard, on the hand you want deny any notion of absolute standards that may objectively rule over you in morals and ethics in which you want to ground your notion of morals and ethics on. Your claim to be logical and yet as a selfproclaimed logition as yourself why are you insisting in violating the law of contradiction in your apologetics of athiesm. Your just demonstraiting the SELF-REFUTING nature of athiesm and that athiesm is not an intelectual persute but a rejection of ones own personal gifts of intellegence. As Francis Scheaffer would say "Wendy, you have your feet firmly planted in mid air. Wendy, your a sharp lady, but I think inside you know better.

Look, all David or anyone else can ask you is "why should I not commit acts of moral evil, by what absolute standard" At that point your athiestic world view is in jepordy. You eather live by your athiestic world view and say "there is no absolute standard, so philisophically why not an ethical/moral free for all". Or, you can deny your athiestic world view and live and act as if athiesm were "a bunch of crap" and impose an absolute standard for right or wrong in which you will have no other place to go but to barrow capital from the christian world view.

Wendy, in response to me writes:

"Of course I do not want an answer to that question, I just used it to show you that it boils down to not if one is atheist or
christian, but what moral code(conscience) the individual person has."

Response:
The Christian World View is the only world view can provide the intelectual (logical and epistomological--how we know what we know)
answers to give a reason why there is an absolute standard for ethics and morals. Athiesm can not. To use your words "what is BOILS DOWN TO" is that Christianity can give an account to and give a reason for morals, ethics and an orderly society. Athiesm can not. So I can see why you don't want to answer my question.

Acourding to your athiestic world view why should we have ethics and morals?

Wendy Posts:

" I was raised a christian and remained one for 26 year. What I have a problem with is, you thinking that because I am no longer a christian I would throw all my morals out the window. I still have to answer to the same person I had to answer to for 27 years, myself.
And truth be known I am way hard on myself, much more so than anyone else I know. So I assure you that if another atheist tried to persuade me to abandon my own conscience I would not be jumping on that bandwagon. As a matter of fact I have never met an atheist that would even try to impress their own moral code on me."

1. you said "I was raised a christian and remained one for 26 years"
Q1: where you raised a Jehovahs Witness? if so then you where not raised a christian, because Jehovahs Witnesses is not Christianity.
Q2: Where you raised in an Protestant bible believing evangelical home? Either Baptist, Presbyterian, Reformed, Congragational, Independent, or Lutherian home? If so what are you doing in a JW chat room with us x-JWs since you grew up in an evangelical home for 26 years and on your 27th revial that you were never converted to Christ, (by Christ since He does the converting, not man). Did you spend a few months studying with the JWs?

2. You said "And truth be known I am way hard on myself, much more so than anyone else I know"
Q1: I'm just trying to apply YOUR athistic world view and go consistanly to its logical conclusion. So then why go through all the self-bashing and being so hard on yourself? If there is no Absolute moral standard then why go through all the fuss. As your people would say "hey, relax a little, take it easy, smoke a few joints. There is no God so there is nothing to worry about"
Q2: If you do have a moral standard which you say you have, What do you base your standard on? Feelings, popular public opinion, female intuition, the feeling that as Rodny King would put it "we nee to get along", mathamatical calculations, your favorite song?
When you reject the bible that's all you got.

3. You said: "As a matter of fact I have never met an atheist that would even try to impress their own moral code on me"

Response: Why should they thier world view teaches that there is really no real absolute standard for right and wrong. "Just do as you please" they say but for pragmatic reasons they might add "as long as you don't go to jail"

Wendy, as far as the pop quizes go, the reason for them is to demonstraite that they have absolutly no Idea what they are talking about. This way they can be exposed for misrepresenting the Christian position. These poeple pull of the same dishonest garbage tactics as the WT does. As for rem and the others thier antagonism against the Christian message is nothing new. Going from JW to Evolutionist Atheist is just going from one form of rebelion (JW) against God to another form of rebellion (Atheism) against God. Both forms of religion worship the creation rather than the creator.

One more thing. Wendy you wished me a Marry Christmas. Why, if you are an athiest and don't believe in Jesus are into Christmas. Christmas is suppose to be about the birth of Christ(whom you dont believe). Are you contradicting yourself or just living off the fruits of the christian? Why celabrate the birth of a potental enemy(one who will send you to hell)? Is in it more consistant to say happy winter solstus?

Could you imagen your kids comming to you and saying "mommy why do we celabrate christmas when we are athiest and don't believe in Christ?" "Please be consistant mommy"

Wendy, I have looked at some of your other post and think your a cool person so please dont take offence. I am praying for you...

check out http://www.reformed.org

Saint Satan had a Pius little quote:

"He who doesn't live his faith doesn't have any."

Response: Sappy sentamantalism never explains why men and women need Christ and his redemption. The only one who ever lived his faith perfectly as demanded by God was Jesus Christ. The good news is that perfect life is imputed to those who trust Him(this ability does not rest with man but is given by God) Romans 3:19-4:5

So you see SS your sentamental quote has a touch of leagalistic perfectionism, law with out redemption.

Let me explain the order of salvation.
1.Election or Predestination---->2.Efectual calling or Regeneration ----> 3.Faith and Repentance---->4. Sanctification----->5.Glorification

1. God choses not on the bases of what man does but by his good mercy. You might say well thats not fair. Then again does he have to chose to save anyone at all? Eph 1:1-14

2. God makes some one alive in Christ (by the preaching of the word of god) James 1:18 Romans 10:17(faith comes by hering the word of God)
Acts 8:4,5 (keyrigma) http://www.kyrux.com The sinner can now choose the things of God. before his free will was bound to sin.

3. Now he can truely trust God and Repent.

4. Now he grows in holiness(Phil 1 "he who began a good work in you will complete it) no falling from salvation

5. The consumation of the covenant promise.

Look at it this way individually the nice guy down the street who doent believe nor trust Christ but does good deeds of civil rightiousness he will go to hell. But Gansta man who use to pimp sell crack and smoke sucka G's on the down stroke(shoot rival gangsters). Well lets say God will do his rescue mission on him. He gets saved grows in Godliness and walks away from gangsta life because Christ is in him. This man shall surely live.

rem writes:

"Evolution is a scientific theory, not a philosophy. It's not even inherently atheistic. There are millions of god believers
who accept Evolution. Your position has no support."

Response:No rem, you are so wrong, it presents an athiestic alternative to the Christian World View. Look, if this topic continues after Christmas I will personally take time to marshall quotes from athiestic evolutionist professers(you people) from universities all over this land like Stanford, Texas A&M, Harvard, all the way down the list to refute your silly cliam that evolution "is not even inharently athiestic" that is so full of it, even your own athiestic people will tell you that.

Who are these millions who are as you abrataraly put it "god believers"? (as if you had a standard of what a "god believer" really is)

Roman Catholics, buddist, hindies, islam, these people dont count because they are not christian and they do not hold to the biblical view of creation so your claim has no marit. Look man go to school and take logic and rhetoric and learn how to marshal a good argument.
To equivocate and use arbratrary terms does not boster your case. Stop being lazy and read some books and think through your arguments..
Just because induviduals whom you falsly claim as Christian say that they believe in evolution does not make evolution true.

example: I could go to you and say all the people on the 8th floor say that windows NT 4 never crashes. Well we know given all the technical white papers and working on the systems that that claim is full of it.
and yet rem, that is exactly the type of argument you give me in reguards to the defence of evolution.

our dialog is kinda going like this:
jr: rem, do you believe in evolution?
rem: Well, because, just because, um.. kay...

rem wrote:
"Can you construct a moral code that 100% of the population of earth will agree on? I don't think so."

God given laws are not based on democrocy. God gives his laws that settles it it doesn't matter wether I believe it or not. We dont sit around and say "All in favor of outlawing armed robery say I, all against say Ney. The I's have it by a margen of 60-40."

rem wrote:
"Also, the fact that Christian morals are based on a punishment/reward
system doesn't look very appealing to me."

Response: If that's the case then by your standard your not to fond of American constitutional government, which has far more punnishments than rewards.
I guess America "land of the brave, home of the free" is not your cup of tea.

God's laws are a reflection of his Unchanging Holy character this is why God creates moral laws that he does not break because they are reflective of who He is.

rem, dont give me this junk of "well prostitution was o.k in the O.T and now not o.k. in the N.T. Give me one passage where prostitution was O.K. I hate to say it but you are as ignorant of the context of the bible as JWs are.

Look, remI don't like beating you down like this but your view do not reflect and hard effort to seek the truth, but only a reflection of a lawless reprobate heart. The only good news for you is that you are never too far away from the salvation of christ.

One more question rem, on what ethical/moral standard are you to keep your marrage together? If there is no moral absolutes then who is to say that is right or wrong to cheet on eachother? You see athiesm has practical personal implications that you should think through.

Don't think I have anything against you personally. Yea, I think your views are wacked. But I do hope to be friends. So your still invited to hang out with us.

one last thing

Saint Satan, wrote:

[quote]" Did you know that the founding fathers of the american republic were not christians?........

Response: Your historical reference is as about as acurate as your average WT magazine. Truth is the founding fathers of America where a mix of christian and non christian If you really want to go there SS then I'll call you on it and challenge you by asking you for all the names of those who signed the declaration of Independance what there religious position were and of those who where Christian what was there denoninational leaning? This should be eazy for you SS since you have claimed on this board historic expertise. If not keep quite on the matter and stop advancing false information. I'm sure people on this board has hade enough false info from the WT with out you adding to the mix.

go Lakers,

jr

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Marry Christmas Jan-evolution goes down in flames

by clash_city_rockers in

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darwin on trial is the title of a book on evolution that has ruffled the feathers of the secular scientific community.

though a christian, author philip johnson critiques evolutionary theory from a secular standpoint as he examines the philosophical games many scientists play to protect their evolutionary ideology.

johnson, a law professor at the university of california at berkeley, attacks head-on the often-heard statement that evolution is both a fact and a theory, an evolutionary dogma that has been a major source of confusion for a long time.

clash_city_rockers

First thing first:

My apologies to Abaddon, I am sorry for mistaking tou for a girl.
Please exept my apology Mr. Abaddon.

Now back to business:

rem posted: snip

Since when does Evolution have anything to do with morals?

Answer:When evolution as a world view denies the Creator (God). Don't be nieve evolution sets up a counter (anti-Christian) world view

Another epic quote from rem:

There are no absolute morals

Response: That is exactly from your athiestic world view. If there is no absolute morals and ethics as you so well put it and that they are just conventions of society as you say. Well done by the way. Then this part of the debate is over and Bible Believing Christianity has been Vindicated and the Christian side has won.

You see you have just demonstraited that YOUR athiestic world view(a product of evolution) can not give an account for any morals or ethics
because there is no real absolute standard. To be consistant with your world view one can not be out raged when evils such as murder, rape infedelity(spouse cheeting). Now that's not to say you won't get pissed if some punk thug off the street rapes your wife, murders a famaly member, robs you at gun point at the B.A.R.T. station. Sure you'll get mad when these things happen but your outrage that these violations are wrong is inconsistant with an athiest world view that teaches that there are no real absolutes. You do not have an absolute standard to say what the violater has done is right or wrong. Someone else from Your world view might just as well defend him by say "hey man, survival of the fittest(evolution's golden rule) so what if he shot you and took your money he needs to survive since there is no absolute standard who's to say that's right or wrong ABSOLUTLY"

Your Posistion is simply non sensical.

rem, frustrated that his world view is being successfully challenged and defeated, makes another false statement: snip

"I choose not to associate with intellectually dishonest people. Show me one article where Johnson has claimed to be a Young Earth Creationist. Show one article where Johnson has dismissed the fact that life has evolved. You cannot. You can only show where Johnson tries to refute the accepted mechanism for evolution - that is "materialistic" Natural Selection."

Response: My point of contention was not to point out Mr. Johnson's particular view of young or old earth. But to point out that Phil J's books really fires the fatal blow to Darwinism and eventually all the assertions of evolution. I figure let Phil Johnson articulate his view thats why I quoted his books which I read. You on the otherhand impune quite ignorantly since I'm am very sure you have'nt read any of his books.

What's really evil about you is that you coockedly try to load the issue by commiting the fallacy of complex questioning.

Show me one article where Johnson has claimed to be a Young Earth Creationist

one of those"have you stop beating your wife questions" ---example of complex questioning.

Look, I want to give you an oportunity to meet Mr. Johnson and see for yourself that your assertions are so totally false up close and personal at the sametime you can meet my christian friends eat free food drink free beer. But sadly you say NOOOOOOO, and shun my like a JW which in your post you have just demonstrated that you are no better than. Shun those who disagree with you, well I'm not going to be a JW like you. I will not shun you my invitation still stands you are always welcome to hang with us.

Yes rem, the pop quizes are going to continue you need to be exposed as a fraud and a lier.
Yes or No only.
1. Did you read Phil Johnsons book "Darwin on Trial" cover to cover?
2. Did you read Phil Johnsond book "Reason in the Balance" cover to cover?
3. Did you read Phil Johnsons book "Defeating Darwinism" cover to cover?

Look one last thing rem
I am not trying to impose God's law just to be mean or legalistic. Lord knows I hate legalism. There is a redemptive perpose for God's law and that is to lead us to Christ (Gal 5).

God's law sheds the light on my sinfullness and that I am a guilty law braker I have no rightiousness that I can claim, my only hope then is to trust solely on the Mercies of Christ. .
1. I am a law breaker, Jesus is a perfect law keeper.
2. Jesus takes my sin and Imputes to me his perfect rightousness with out me erning one drop of it. Sola Fide....Romans 4:5

David W., You can do this type of apologetics too. Its really easy. You dont have to be a PhD. Apologetic is for all christians
go here http://www.reformed.org

go to the apologetic section in the left window and have a go and learn. Check out the Greg Bahnson vs. Gordon Stine debate. Gordon Stine is like the Pope of Athiesm and he knows more than any of these guys we talk to. and Yet Greg Bahnson(reformed presbyterian) just nukes him to kingdom come. Its like Nebraska or Miami playing some small collage in football.

Gordon Stine 0
Greg Bahnson 94

See Ya,
jr

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Marry Christmas Jan-evolution goes down in flames

by clash_city_rockers in

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darwin on trial is the title of a book on evolution that has ruffled the feathers of the secular scientific community.

though a christian, author philip johnson critiques evolutionary theory from a secular standpoint as he examines the philosophical games many scientists play to protect their evolutionary ideology.

johnson, a law professor at the university of california at berkeley, attacks head-on the often-heard statement that evolution is both a fact and a theory, an evolutionary dogma that has been a major source of confusion for a long time.

clash_city_rockers

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Marry Christmas Jan-evolution goes down in flames

by clash_city_rockers in

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friends

darwin on trial is the title of a book on evolution that has ruffled the feathers of the secular scientific community.

though a christian, author philip johnson critiques evolutionary theory from a secular standpoint as he examines the philosophical games many scientists play to protect their evolutionary ideology.

johnson, a law professor at the university of california at berkeley, attacks head-on the often-heard statement that evolution is both a fact and a theory, an evolutionary dogma that has been a major source of confusion for a long time.

clash_city_rockers

Windy, David and Abaddon,

Look the point I am trying to drive home here is the logical conclusion to those who are Aithiest. The Aithiest has NO STANDARD for right or wrong. Now this doesn't mean that ALL athiest think that lawless evil like killing and raping are O.K. But he has no ground other than the Christian World View (which he rejects) but he borrows capitol from to say such evils are wrong in fact with out the true biblical God one can not determan good from evil, again by what standard is he going to judge?

Look, one athiest guy might say, "hey, murder and rape are wrong" but how can he justify them to be wrong in his athiest world view? His athiestic evolutionist comrade might say "there is nothing morally wrong with murder and rape, I woulden't do it because I'll go to jail, but as far as there is a absolute moral standard, there really isn't one just arbratrary conventions that change from time to time."

Now on what ground is the athiest going to refute the cliams of his athiestic evolutionist compadre? Borrow from what he rejects, (Christianity? That would be self-refuting.

The question for the Athiest is "If there is NO ABSOLUTE MORAL OR ETHICAL STANDERD, then why should I or anyone reject the evils of murder and rape as being morraly wrong?"

David, this is what you can learn take the assertions from these guys and turn it around on them show them that they can not live by them. Demonstrait the inconsistancy of thier system what we call (dielectical tentions or internal contradictions) in there own system which they want to hold you bondage to(what WT terrany with out the WT).

David, let the scriptures be your standard to judge other people's motives as well as yourself I'll e-mail you privetly to give advise as to where to get started.

As for Abaddon, she is self-refutting and is could care less of what any bible believing christian has to say. In short, she is just as dishonest as the WT Governing Body. She just regurgitates other peoples material she is not even well read. As for Jan, I'm not intimadated by him, I wish he lived near by so I could go over his house and give him the gospel.

Personally I don't wish these people ill will not at all, I would love to meet them and maybe take them out for lunch.

Abaddon,

You mentioned in another post that the bible does not teach calvinism.

Response: Pleeeeeeese, You don't even believe in the bible and yet YOU are going to tell me what doctrines are in the bible whan you yourself do not believe the bible. You don't even know the issues and why the synod og Dort was convined.
1. Who was Palagius?
2. Who was Jacob Arminius?
3. What are the major tennents of Arminianism?
4. Why is Free willism a gateway to leagalism and moralism?
5. Why is calvinism the only defender of Christian Liberty?

rem, why do run away from an offer of free beer, food and the gospel? Oh, yah while we are guzzling beers well also have Phil Johnson there too to refute your claims of devisiveness and distroy evolution over a nice cold Hieniken and Paragas Double Corona.....

snuggles,
jr......................

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space.com dates Noah's flood to 2350 B.C.

by aChristian in

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the watchtower society dates noah's flood to 2370 b.c.e.

they do this by following bible chronology quite closely, counting backwards from 607 b.c.e., their date for babylon's destruction of jerusalem.

however, as we know, the society's date for that event is in error.

clash_city_rockers

larc writes: snip
"Since the thread had a theme, re: Noah, I wondered if you could address the questions I asked. In your own words please. If you want to provide information from someone else, could you provide a link, rather than cut and paste a long message. This is considered standard protocal, and for you to do otherwise would be UnChristian."

The standard for what is christian and what is "UnChristian" would be in the bible. I would like a text and charge please. But since you have rejected the bible YOU HAVE NO STANDARD to say what is christian and what is unchristian.

cheers,
jr

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Marry Christmas Jan-evolution goes down in flames

by clash_city_rockers in

jw
friends

darwin on trial is the title of a book on evolution that has ruffled the feathers of the secular scientific community.

though a christian, author philip johnson critiques evolutionary theory from a secular standpoint as he examines the philosophical games many scientists play to protect their evolutionary ideology.

johnson, a law professor at the university of california at berkeley, attacks head-on the often-heard statement that evolution is both a fact and a theory, an evolutionary dogma that has been a major source of confusion for a long time.

clash_city_rockers

Abaddon whining: snip
"In this, an essay on Johnson's book, there are links to four web pages where Johnson or other creationists make their claims. Funny how creationists hide the evidence their opponents put forth and evolutionists publish it. How ... honest ... good to know the 'truth' has nothing to hide, eh?"

Response: The Evedence is damming against your position. Playing the silly game of poisoning the well will not help your cause.
Also, Evedenses Are never nutral. The massinve truck loads of evedences we christians have will not chainge your hard heart, only Christ and His gosple can. That's why I go after your unbelieving presupostions, hence my apologetic method is presupositional. You, being an antagonist to the bible and the christian gospel have no real defence against presupositional apologetics, in fact this is probly the first time you faced a presupositionalist. On top of that I'm getting tons of emails that are thanking me and are giving testamony that I'm whiping your guys tail around the internet. To that, it has been a privalage to be an encouragement to many of you who did not give up on God and the Bible and Christianity just because they where burned by the WT.

In the end evolution is a moral issue. Those who espouse such a lie, at the heart of that is not a pure scientific pursure, many of you, like rem and others could give a Damn about science. No, at the end of it all you just want to justify lawlessness and evil. do you think we would want you to baby sit our kids, HECK no you evolutionist might molest and murder our kids. According to you if thier is no God then it stands to reason by good and nessesary consocunce that there is no absolute standers for Law and morality, hence laws are just convention and killing, murder, robbing and molesting and raping are not real evils because there really isn't any real (absolute) standard for good or evil.

cheers,
jr

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Marry Christmas Jan-evolution goes down in flames

by clash_city_rockers in

jw
friends

darwin on trial is the title of a book on evolution that has ruffled the feathers of the secular scientific community.

though a christian, author philip johnson critiques evolutionary theory from a secular standpoint as he examines the philosophical games many scientists play to protect their evolutionary ideology.

johnson, a law professor at the university of california at berkeley, attacks head-on the often-heard statement that evolution is both a fact and a theory, an evolutionary dogma that has been a major source of confusion for a long time.

clash_city_rockers

rem, look silly.

Your silly devisive claim is wrong again.

go to this fundy web site http://www.gty.org/~phil/bookmark/apol.htm

they support thier ministry. an fact we "fundy presbyterians" who believe in a litteral 6 day hang out at "Geovoni's on Shattack Ave in Berkeley. No joke for real If your really interested we will invite you and you can see for yourself that we litteral 6 day fundies really hang out with Phil Johnson of CAL. As a good christian witness to you we will even treat you to the couple of rounds of free Beer.
New Castle, Hieniken, Gennisis you name it... no joke if you live in the bay area this offer is truely for you.......we will lovingly prove your ascertions wrong with free beer and food. we will even throw in the cigars too. we may be fundies but we sure as not teetotalers... we are not victorian moralistic pietists...

bottoms up,

jr

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Marry Christmas Jan-evolution goes down in flames

by clash_city_rockers in

jw
friends

darwin on trial is the title of a book on evolution that has ruffled the feathers of the secular scientific community.

though a christian, author philip johnson critiques evolutionary theory from a secular standpoint as he examines the philosophical games many scientists play to protect their evolutionary ideology.

johnson, a law professor at the university of california at berkeley, attacks head-on the often-heard statement that evolution is both a fact and a theory, an evolutionary dogma that has been a major source of confusion for a long time.

clash_city_rockers

aChristian asked:
"I probably should not ask you this but ........ What do you think will happen to Christians who believe in evolution? In your opinion,
will millions of Christians like myself, who believe that Genesis actually supports the teaching that God used evolution as His means of creating all life on earth, all be damned to Hell?"

answer: Absolutly not, for those who trully trust in the Lord for salvation Justification is a one time legel act....Your saved because God has converted you and the good news is that he (in a good sence) is stuck with you. But the everyone whom God Justifies he Sanctifies. A. Look every living thing grows, right.
B. You where made a Alive in Christ Eph 1,2 right.
C. Therefor you will grow in obedience in Christ both in doctrine and in life.

Rest asured that you will grow in Christ it is his covenantal promise. Even though you are delinquent in this doctrinal area Christ will see it though your santification that will grow out of this evolutionary doctrine.
I hope my answer was satifactory.

blessings,
jr

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Marry Christmas Jan-evolution goes down in flames

by clash_city_rockers in

jw
friends

darwin on trial is the title of a book on evolution that has ruffled the feathers of the secular scientific community.

though a christian, author philip johnson critiques evolutionary theory from a secular standpoint as he examines the philosophical games many scientists play to protect their evolutionary ideology.

johnson, a law professor at the university of california at berkeley, attacks head-on the often-heard statement that evolution is both a fact and a theory, an evolutionary dogma that has been a major source of confusion for a long time.

clash_city_rockers

Tom Askes: "Have you read either Denton or Johnson?

What do you think of Denon's quotation of Cuvier? Do you think he makes a valid point?"

Which quote from Georges Cuvier?
pg 22 on catastrophism?
pg 91 on limits to change?
pg 100 on religious attitude?
pg 101-117 on typology?

help me out which quote

Mentioned in the book do you agree with Thomas Chalmers notion of Provedence? ans how it related to the flood?

I am glad you did read the book That book "Evolution: A Theory in Crisis" was the Ray Franz book "Crisis of Conscience" for evolutionists. I'm glad you quit evolution, amen.
You left JW's Now you left evolution.

"in Japan men come first, women come second. Yes, Mr. Tenaka I may have to retire here" ----James Bond and Mr. Tenaka(Tiger) in---You Only Live Twice.

jr

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space.com dates Noah's flood to 2350 B.C.

by aChristian in

jw
friends

the watchtower society dates noah's flood to 2370 b.c.e.

they do this by following bible chronology quite closely, counting backwards from 607 b.c.e., their date for babylon's destruction of jerusalem.

however, as we know, the society's date for that event is in error.

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aChristion said:
"I appreciated the fact that you preceded your comments with "IMHO" (in my humble opinion). In this matter your humble opinion and my humble opinion are at odds. Not that it really matters. I'm sure you will agree that all who truly put their faith in Christ will be saved, both those of us who believe the creative "days" of Genesis were each only 24 hours long and those of us who believe they were probably much longer."

At that point redemption in Christ is the most important thing brother. We can agree to disagree in Christian love and charity. I pray that you will continue to grow in Christ and that you belong to a good bible believing christian church. And keep me acountable while I'm on this board that I'm charitable(trying to be in most cercomstanses), and Christ Centered in my dealing...

Semper Reformade(always reforming to the word of God),

jr

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