Posts by tim3l0rd

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Humans are not wired to want the truth

by rebel8 in

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that's what i suspect.. perhaps some of us retrained our brains to not surrender to a natural urge to believe the simplest, most drama-laden spins on facts.. examples (at least i think this is the truth!):.

the clock.

the son of muslim activists makes a device that, on purpose, looks like a bomb.

tim3l0rd

Not wanting to hijack your thread, but I'm still on the fence about GMOs. Selective breeding and genetic splicing are two entirely different things. I'm not convinced that they are bad for us, but I'm also not convinced that they aren't. I'm also not convinced that they couldn't have a harmful affect on native varieties down the road.

The other issue is the veracity with which companies protect their patented genes. I don't think it's right for a company to seize what a farmer has grown just because their gene entered his crops through pollination. If he stole seed or purposely cross pollinated, then that's a different story. I understand that they need to protect their intellectual property, but pollination is a natural process that the farmer has no control over. Sadly the small farmers don't have the resources to fight the big companies.

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The Captive Mind of a former bethalite.

by The Rebel in

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i see years of acute economic crisis ahead for the w.t.

this is evident with letting go of " volunteer" bethalites throughout the world.

but my thread is on the consequences to the individual, and the organisation of letting " volunteer" bethalites go.. so what happens to the captive mind of the former bethalite when they are let go from bethel?

tim3l0rd

I definitely see some ex-bethelites and ex-SPs turning "apostate" once they experience life. There was already an anonymous letter from an SP that was posted a while back. It couldn't be authenticated, but I could definitely see a long time SP thinking that way.

My hope is that as more leave they will take family & friends with them.

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Elders School 2015: Model Judicial Committee Videos: Appeal, Reinstatement, Making Recommendations and messages from the GB

by hildebrando in

5 new videos kingdom ministry school 2015:.

judging with insight/appeal committee.

judging with insight/reinstatement committee.

tim3l0rd

Can't wait for the English version leak.

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No more printing of WT and Awake in my country.. Shit just got real

by cognitivedizzy in

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guys .

a letter was just read in out kh stating that all printing of wt and awake is ceased for the coming year and we will just place tracts on fs, countries which were cared by our branch will be cared by other countries...along with this they read the new fs form and stuff about reporting links of videos wtf..lol.

i can't tell which country perhaps that will give away a lot, any one with a similar information.

tim3l0rd

I hope that this news makes it out of India and to the R&F. I'd like to see how it is explained away. How can they justify not doing all they can to spread the word when the "end is soon"?

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Is the Borg winding down printing altogether?

by slimboyfat in

the thread about magazines stopping distribution in india reminded me of a recent conversation.

a local brother said he asked for a copy of the new organisation book for publishers.

the elder told the brother to print it out if he wanted a physical copy.

tim3l0rd

I think they are transitioning away from being seen as a "publishing company". Apostates have beat that idea to death. If they no longer print anything, then they can get rid of that moniker. I think they know that print media is dead/dying and a HUGE drain on resources. I definitely see them stopping almost all printing at some point.

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New Light: Don't hold hands during prayers

by RR in

from the watchtower november 15 study edition.. 19 when we are being represented in public prayer, we need to display reverential "fear of god.

" (1 pet 2:17) there may be a proper time and place for some actions that would be inappropriate at a christian meeting.

(eccl 3:1) for instance, suppose someone sought to have all in a group link arms or hold hands during prayer.

tim3l0rd

Sabin-

I have no issue with your post about holding hands with non-family members, but they are going a bit far to say that married couples should hold hands discreetly. First, how would you not hold hands discreetly? Maybe you would hold them high up in the air like you just crossed a finish line or won a medal?

They are also taking it a bit far to say that embracing during a prayer is wrong. Why shouldn't I be close to my spouse during a prayer to my Father? He's the creator of marriage right?

-TL

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No more printing of WT and Awake in my country.. Shit just got real

by cognitivedizzy in

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guys .

a letter was just read in out kh stating that all printing of wt and awake is ceased for the coming year and we will just place tracts on fs, countries which were cared by our branch will be cared by other countries...along with this they read the new fs form and stuff about reporting links of videos wtf..lol.

i can't tell which country perhaps that will give away a lot, any one with a similar information.

tim3l0rd

IMHO, this is a long time overdue. There was/is very little interest in the mags. Only my elderly mother looked forward to the next issues. The magazines were stacked high in closets and basements all over the world. The importance of the WT's "flagship" magazines was only in the minds of the FDS & Co. Any business minded person could tell it was a tremendous waste of resources in the modern world.

Dagney-

I would agree with you save one thing. This is in India. They are still a developing nation. While I'm sure many have cellphones and even smart phones, there are undoubtedly many in rural areas that have no access to such things. The printed word would surely help those. It really shows the attitude of the WT to ignore such "lowly ones".

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No more printing of WT and Awake in my country.. Shit just got real

by cognitivedizzy in

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friends

guys .

a letter was just read in out kh stating that all printing of wt and awake is ceased for the coming year and we will just place tracts on fs, countries which were cared by our branch will be cared by other countries...along with this they read the new fs form and stuff about reporting links of videos wtf..lol.

i can't tell which country perhaps that will give away a lot, any one with a similar information.

tim3l0rd

Why would they turn away good money coming into their economy?

The majority are Hindu. They see Christianity as invasive and maybe divisive. They're probably ok with it growing organically, but don't want outside influence causing an abnormal growth. They may also be aware of the cult tactics and are looking to protect their citizens. Also, other than building, what would the WT actually contribute to the economy? Members are sending their money back to the org so it would end up as a net loss.

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Are You Easily Offended? 😠

by minimus in

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i'm sick and tired of everyone claiming to be "offended".

if you are not politically correct, you will need to apologize for some perceived slight.. when i was an elder, i purposely avoided as much as i could, anybody that got easily offended.

.

tim3l0rd

I'm offended by this post. I'm outta here!

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What I would like to see soon!

by John Aquila in

i would like to see one or better two members of the governing body get disfellowshipped and they both go off to write books like ray franz exposing the cult to all the sexual scandals, the hidden agendas with the stock market investments, the lawsuits, the laying of long time bethel workers, hidden sins by the higher ups and all the other nasty skeletons in the watchtower closet..

what would be different today compared to rays time is that we now live in a social media world..

they would be invited to talk in the oprah winfrey show, ellen degeneres show, the view, dateline.

tim3l0rd

Maybe a KickStarter for a book then?