Posts by careful

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Do You Think a Schism is in the Future?

by lepermessiah in

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i was thinking about this over the weekend.

just this week, there was the "consolidation" talk (in my wife's congregation) , the article about shunning that went viral, and the annual "show your love and obedience to jehovah by giving us your money" watchtower.

i know my wife said people are running scared about this consolidation even though it was sold as maximizing space to help other areas, build kh in other countries, etc...... the media and government has hit them hard in many countries, but they have gotten off easy in the usa, where the majority of the people and money reside.

careful

TFG:

R&f JW's are being dominated and controlled more than they have ever been

Here, here!

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Scholarly interview on the existence of Jesus

by careful in

perhaps this has been linked here before.

if that's the case, i'm sorry.

however, new people join, others miss things, some forget, so i thought it was worth posting, especially since this issue comes up from time to time and some here have never worked it out or are in the process of trying to do so.

careful

Perhaps this has been linked here before. If that's the case, I'm sorry. However, new people join, others miss things, some forget, so I thought it was worth posting, especially since this issue comes up from time to time and some here have never worked it out or are in the process of trying to do so. The interview, from 4 years ago, is with a chap from Princeton who is very well-published in New Testament studies (Dale C. Allison) and is from a "Christian agnostic" blog (of Steven Jake, a high school math teacher). What is "Christian agnostic" supposed to mean? The blogger says:

"I feel drawn to the Christian message, and I feel that in Christianity religion reaches its maturity in the person of Jesus; yet, I also feel that some of Christian doctrine is vague, wrong-headed, implausible and perhaps even wrong. Therefore, I am perfectly fine with saying, "I do not see the evidence for doctrine such and such, so I will abstain from believing it"; and this is where Christian Agnosticism finds it's home."

Since that is now "cleared up" (?!), here's the interview:

http://christian-agnostic.blogspot.com/2014/01/0-0-1-1963-11194-student-93-26-13131-14.html

Enjoy.

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Rutherford Exposed: The Story of Berta and Bonnie (redux)

by Leolaia in

in september 2004, farkel posted an article on this forum called "rutherford exposed: the story of berta and bonnie.

" his essay, which subsequently was translated into several languages and which received over 10,000 views after the first month, spawned a thread that ran 28 pages and contained the collaborative research efforts of many in jwd.

this thread was thought by some moderators to be the best in the forum -- not necessarily because of the claims in the original essay but because it inspired a staggering amount of research aimed at assessing the credibility of the claims made in the essay, as well as adding to our knowledge of this fascinating yet obscure chapter of watchtower history.

careful

Wow, someone has resurrected one of Leolaia's old posts. It's a blast from the past, sort "old fresh air"!

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NEWSWEEK: Child Sex Abuse Investigators May Probe the Jehovah’s Witnesses

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.newsweek.com/jehovahs-witnesses-child-sexual-abuse-investigators-allegations-united-kingdom-837351.

child sex abuse investigators may probe the jehovah’s witnesses.

by ryan sit on 3/8/18 at 5:11 pm .

careful

As it gets widely known............ who is going to open their doors to them? Who is going to say they are fine religious people?

More to the point, what would the average publisher, especially a sister, do when confronted with this issue at the door (or at a cart) by an angry householder? It would shut down the preaching work. "Damage beyond repair" indeed. Of course, it would have to get that far first, and it hasn't gotten that far yet.

Wikispaces shutting down

by careful in

for those who have been using this service, it's ending later this year:.

http://blog.wikispaces.com.

here are examples of what they provided:.

careful

For those who have been using this service, it's ending later this year:

http://blog.wikispaces.com

Here are examples of what they provided:

http://classicsindex.wikispaces.com/bible_hebrew

http://classicsindex.wikispaces.com/greek_language_nt

They say it has to do with money.

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Memorial Invitation 2018 : Subliminal Message ?

by jwdoctrine in

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http://jwdoctrine.com/memorial-invitation-2018-demonic-subliminal/.

memorial invitation : subliminal message.

at first glance, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the invitation but on closer look a disturbing detail becomes apparent.it is in the upper right corner of the illustration of jesus christ celebrating the last supper with his disciples in the upper room...there seem to be trees outside the window but on closer inspection, all thanks to the pdf format of the invitation that allows you a very close look down to the fine detail, these are not trees but letters!!!.

careful

This sort of thing was studied at length by Darek Barefoot who published a book on it after being DFed for bringing it to the attention of the GB.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/267758/hour-darkness-derek-barefoot

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Latest news from Australia - listen to this media discussion about suing a religion in Victoria over child abuse

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.abc.net.au/radio/melbourne/programs/mornings/daniel-andrews-and-francis-sullivan/9517566.

the topic discussed at the above link is related to this one i posted recently:.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5784750204649472/victoria-australia-survivors-sexual-abuse-able-sue-churches.

careful

Caesar is forcing the WTS to do something "open and transparent." That would be something.

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Apostate is an easy excuse

by Formerbrother in

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it seems to me that if there is something that any jw doesnt want anybody to look into, then they can just say the one word apostate, and nobody wil look at it.. this is rather convenient.. what if it is the truth, still dont even look at it to find out?.

careful

Yep, that's the organization's plan. Label it "apostate" and everyone will ignore it. It's up to each individual to decide whether he or she will obey that command or look for truth independently. What will you do?

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Padron Case Settled. What happens to the fine?

by Slidin Fast in

it seems that irwin zalkin has obtained undisclosed settlement in the case.

the $4000 a day fine then seems to be dead.

the downside?

careful

So may we assume that the undisclosed settlement must have exceeded the by now $1.5 million fine ($4000/day accruing for over a year now). Would it be safe to say that it was probably around $2 million or more, paid over by the org so that Zalkin would back down on his request for the secret documents and the fine would be dissolved?

It looks like this lawyer Zalkin has made a career of suing the org. over sexual abuse cases. All he's got to do now is repeat the process again and again in future cases and he can keep bilking millions from the org. They are really in a spot here.

What will happen when the average R&F Witness discovers that THIS is where the contributions are going?

Thanks for the update, Slidin Fast.

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CRISIS OF CONSCIENCE

by Newly Enlightened in

https://youtu.be/dpq7j8lkc98.

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SBF:

A new introduction written by a Trinitarian from the Watchman Foundation? I wonder what Ray Franz would have made of that.

Spot on. I doubt Ray would have liked that.