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Star Tribune: Jehovah's Witnesses accused of mishandling abuse in Montana

by Tahoe in

http://www.startribune.com/jehovah-s-witnesses-accused-of-mishandling-abuse-in-montana/493779331/.

helena, mont.

— two women who say they were sexually abused as children have alleged that the jehovah's witnesses failed to report their abuser to authorities in montana and instead punished him internally by expelling him from the congregation until he repented the following year.. a trial begins monday in the tiny city of thompson falls for one of dozens of lawsuits filed nationwide in the last decade over claims of child sexual abuse in jehovah's witness congregations.

careful

Lost in the fog,

The head of the legal dept. at Patterson, Philip Brumley, was sent to law school by the org. Yep, they paid his way and it was his official assignment. He talks about how "dangerous" it was for him while he was there in an official JWdotorg video. Plenty of other WT lawyers converted after they'd passed the bar. In the USA it's a large enough group that they used to have their own independent conventions where, among other things, sisters could get up and give real stand-alone talks. That group, called Theocratic Attorneys and Doctors (TA&D), was shut down by GB I.

RF mentions the group in passing in his CofC book. Hal Flemings used to be the one who organized their annual conventions. They even had their own journal and meeting programs. If you go to the website of this Witness lawyer, Steve Popko, you'll see in the lower right under "Awards & Rankings" that he was once the editor of the TA&D journal.

https://hannabrophy.com/team/steven-m-popko/

Hope this helps.

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Star Tribune: Jehovah's Witnesses accused of mishandling abuse in Montana

by Tahoe in

http://www.startribune.com/jehovah-s-witnesses-accused-of-mishandling-abuse-in-montana/493779331/.

helena, mont.

— two women who say they were sexually abused as children have alleged that the jehovah's witnesses failed to report their abuser to authorities in montana and instead punished him internally by expelling him from the congregation until he repented the following year.. a trial begins monday in the tiny city of thompson falls for one of dozens of lawsuits filed nationwide in the last decade over claims of child sexual abuse in jehovah's witness congregations.

careful

Tahoe, thanks for the post, and Corney, for the earlier history.

One interesting thing here is "Jehovah's Witness attorney Kathleen DeSoto." So the GB has okayed the use of a female Witness attorney here. I've heard of Carolyn Wah doing stuff for them in their Legal Department, but this use of DeSoto, a woman officially representing them in court, seems pretty rare. I cannot help but wonder the motives here. Is it just that there are not many Witness lawyers who are licensed and practice in Montana so they are "stuck" with her? Or maybe the GB think that by using a female lawyer, this will help their case?

It's also of interest that the opposition counsel Storey has noted the change in procedure by the GB/org. The org likes to hide this fact because their old policies make them look bad.

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Anyone notice there has not been any announcement for the annual meeting broadcast this year?

by nowwhat? in

let the speculation begin!.

careful

Here are some thoughts:

https://rmovideo.blogspot.com/2018/08/jw-annual-meeting-2018-new-updates-speculations-provisions.html

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Anyone notice there has not been any announcement for the annual meeting broadcast this year?

by nowwhat? in

let the speculation begin!.

careful

Maybe eye...dub is right about leaks, but surely SOMEONE here must be able to get some info from still-in family members and share it.

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Can you help with this?

by vienne in

i need a scan of this: the apocalyptic interpretation of history of american premillennial groups, phd dissertation by carl ludwigson, 1944. if you have it, please contact me..

careful

Sent you a PM.

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Carts on both ends of the farmersmarket

by Still Totally ADD in

jw
friends

my wife and me have a booth at the local framers market.

there is usually about 12 t0 14 vendors each week on a small short street in town.

what is funny on each end of this short street are cart setups with 3 people on each cart.

careful

Wow, that's powerful!

Done, they came D2D in my neighborhood recently, 4-5 of them.

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The Day Kenneth Flodin got rid of his car

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

on youtube a great clip, about the day kenneth flodin (jw broadcasting) got rid of his car.. enjoy.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78b67l_yxuc.

g..

careful

In three different browsers I got "video unavailable."

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The word for Seraphim also translates to snake or serpent??? Really can change or explain bible meanings

by Bad_Wolf in

i was answering a post whose conversations went into the book of enoch in which i had read before.

i came upon information that seraphim also translates to serpent.

i have long thought the old testament does not mean what most religions have interpreted.

careful

Try "burning ones" or "fiery ones." "Seraphim" is plural; the singular is "seraph."

Surely you can use wiki like the rest of us:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraph

Serpent is an entirely different word, or actually two words:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpents_in_the_Bible

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Circuit Overseer's Outlines

by AverageJoe1 in

here's the outlines in english and spanish, grouped together in order for september 2018-february 2019.. english: https://we.tl/6orrqltrya.

spanish: https://we.tl/6w0acsdefr.

as per usual, these links will expire in 7 days from the date of this post so get them whilst they're hot!.

careful

Thank you AverageJoe1. I read them over and wondered whether some MS would go to an elder and "fess up" his watching porn online. What if the elder was in the same boat? Would he say, "Well, don't worry about it. It's not that big a deal." I doubt that, since if he did, it might eventually come back on him when he is found out. So then it really looks like he'd have to hypocritically counsel the MS not to do such bad things while he himself is doing the same. I don't think this scenario is so impossible. I remember elders who carried on illicit sexual relations with sisters or more commonly with "worldly" women, cheating on their wives, for years, DFing others while doing so, and then finally being found out, or just quitting one day, abandoning their wife and kids, and shocking their fellow elders.

It seems like porno watching would be more common. Therefore, the above scenario must be real.

The GB must see this as a genuine problem, the way they keep bringing it up over and over.

Another thing that struck me is how even the CO has very little leeway to add his own stuff. Even for them every moment is scripted. It really has become an organization of robots, speaking only what they have been told. Hardly Heb. 5:14!

Perhaps the scripture that best describes the org today is that one from Ecclesiastes, repeated several times, "Nothing new under the sun. Everything is vanity and a striving after the wind." That is probably the most depressing, negative book in the Bible in overall spirit.

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Cart work faces headwinds.

by lastmanstanding in

my little bethel bird has whispered in my ear some encouraging news.

it has been reported to the canadian branch that some witnesses doing cart work had police stop them from carting in public parks.

the direction sent to the southern ontario congregations is to cease carting until further notice.. this is no joke.. have a jw-free day..

careful

SBF,

If you’ve not even got an interesting partner to chat with on the carts it must be excruciating

I've yet to see a cart manned by just one person. All I've seen are 2, 3, and more on up.

Got any evidence for "JWs are thoroughly fed up with the whole thing"?