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  Blondies Thoughts on Generous Giving WT article for Octobeer 21, 2018

  by blondie in

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  quotethe word christ signifies anointed.

  anointing means designation to official position in god’s arrangement.

  the christ is the instrument or channel for the blessing of mankind.

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  Blondie,

  What I mean is how are they "found"? It seems like a major change in this regard has taken place from CTR's time till today. Back then it seemed they were just looking to find them by drawing anyone out of the churches and into association with Russell and the Bible Students.

  I've been out for decades. When I was in, Fred Franz's theology ruled in everything. He taught that all of the remnant had been found before 1935 and were all already in the Witness fold. The only way one could get into the chosen group after '35 was if one already in proved unfaithful and had to be replaced, a supposedly rare occurrence.

  Then when there were so few of these self-professed anointed males left, they had to change their policy or they'd have no ultimate, final-say leadership. It looks to me like the policy has come about that the only way such ones are now "found" is if they are already in the full-time service for most of their lives, always been loyal yes men, and suddenly start partaking of the emblems at the Memorial. Isn't that the case for all those now on the GB? So then isn't that how they are now "found"?

  I'd be happy to be corrected here if I've got anything wrong here.
  
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  Blondies Thoughts on Generous Giving WT article for Octobeer 21, 2018

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  quotethe word christ signifies anointed.

  anointing means designation to official position in god’s arrangement.

  the christ is the instrument or channel for the blessing of mankind.

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  What do you think CTR meant with the words "shall have been found"? Do you think the current org view has modified on that point? If so, how?
  
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  New development on the legal front

  by careful in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the feds are finally getting involved, so the child abuse issue is moving up from just the state lea level.

  it's with the catholic church so far, and only in pennsylvania:.

  https://www.apnews.com/52c119e968c24640a8d2ec5db834759a.

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  The feds are finally getting involved, so the child abuse issue is moving up from just the state LEA level. It's with the Catholic church so far, and only in Pennsylvania:

  https://www.apnews.com/52c119e968c24640a8d2ec5db834759a
  

  We'll have to wait and see if they widen their investigation.
  
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  Secret documents from WHQ: JWs do everything to avoid reporting CSA

  by jochie in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clbnspvradui have seen the documents myself but i am not able to share them without jeopardizing the source.the rtl broadcasting company has spoken to the orginal source and we know that these documents are real..

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  dubstepped—spot on!

  When I was in, another bro and I used to joke about some publisher doing something stupid that was supposed to remain "confidential" and we'd say, "Oh, he/she'll just wind up as another Kingdom Ministry School experience."
  
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  Possible leak from Annual Meeting 2018

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm a member on jw talk (until now at least) and have been regularly checking up on their thread regarding the annual meeting.

  there hasn't been a great deal to report on except for this recent post that has been made.

  i may get outed but that's no loss.

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  Della Street,

  If there's any real info, keep us posted!
  
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  Court documents reveal Watchtower's tactics in Montana child abuse case

  by LevelThePlayingField in

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  2. child-abuse

  there were numerous objections and claims that watchtower lawyers made to try and get out of being held responsible for their negligence and malice.

  here’s the juicy ones:.

  montana is a mandatory reporting state, but watchtower lawyers claimed that the law for reporting abuse only applies to “individuals” and they are “corporations”.

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  This Montana case is forcing more WT secret info out into the public domain, doubtless to the great annoyance of the GB. Two things are striking. First, I have long been suspicious that this Vow of Obedience and Poverty that all Bethelites must sign is for more than just tax purposes. It's clear here that it is also an attempt to shelter Bethel workers from child abuse reporting laws by their supposedly being protected by clergy-penitent privilege.
  

  More interesting is the second, related thing. It seems that some of these lower courts have gone ahead and made decisions on enforcing the child abuse reporting laws that are on the books without considering how they may be in conflict with the legal status of clergy-penitent privilege.

  Regardless of what we may individually think about this matter, and, of course, not all countries have the idea of clergy-penitent privilege built into their legal systems, apparently no higher US courts have ruled on the inherent conflict between child abuse reporting laws and the legal principle behind clergy-penitent privilege. Otherwise, the GB's attempt to hide behind the latter would be of no legal value. The opposing lawyers would simply call to the attention of the judge that such a matter has already been decided in "such-and-such" case. But they have not done so.

  Does anyone know if such a decision is working its way through the higher courts anywhere? If not, the GB's stance may eventually force it—after all, neither the Catholic church nor any other religious groups have attempted such legal argumentation. Perhaps Barb Anderson can answer this question?
  
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  Secret documents from WHQ: JWs do everything to avoid reporting CSA

  by jochie in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clbnspvradui have seen the documents myself but i am not able to share them without jeopardizing the source.the rtl broadcasting company has spoken to the orginal source and we know that these documents are real..

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  It makes you wonder who is leaking this stuff. Could it be some insiders who are high up and thus have access to this stuff and who are also trying to force reform?
  
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  1914 and 1919 immortalized in new Ezekiel book. Prepare for 2019 100th anniversary fanfare...

  by Darth FayDehr in

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  So instead of "type" and "anti-type" are they now saying "first fulfillment" and "second fulfillment"? It seems like the language chosen has changed but not the concept. I suppose after bashing "type" and "anti-type" some years ago, they couldn't just go back to it.
  
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  Annual meeting topic

  by asp59 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how many think they will announce in the annual meeting they just gonna have one meeting a week?

  if they dont it will be astonishing, amazing and other things..

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  So doesn’t them announcing the king of the north mean the end is now officially coming?

  It's been "officially coming" for decades now!

  What's the BE book?
  
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  Annual meeting topic

  by asp59 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how many think they will announce in the annual meeting they just gonna have one meeting a week?

  if they dont it will be astonishing, amazing and other things..

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  Wasn't the one who said "we just love this new idea" David Splane?