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  How many new topics can you post per day?

  by HiddenPimo in

  1. forum
  2. tech-support

  i noticed that yesterday i could make a post on someones already posted topic/thread but i was unable to start a new topic?.

  i tired chrome / firefox / safari and none would allow me to post.. thanks in advance for any help.. hp.

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  Got any Nigerian KHs for sale? Simon, good joke!
  
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  Dutch (ex) JWs: Online survey sexual abuse within JW Netherlands by Utrecht University

  by jochie in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  since today dutch (ex)jws are asked to fill out an online survey by utrecht university with regard to (child) sexual abuse.as chairman of reclaimed voices i call on all dutch speaking (ex) jws to fill out this survey in case you were a victim of abuse or in case you know of someone else that was abused within the jehovah's witnesseswith your participation you contribute to an important investigation that is carried out.link to the survey: https://usbo.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/sv_4hkmbqjhlm0uhmh

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  Ah, that may explain it. They're planting answers from the faithful. I'm sure many will rush to state what the org wants to hear.

  At the Aust. Royal Commission, didn't the GB pay some "worldly" female psychologist to do the same thing, only to have it backfire on them? Surely the Dutch government will see through this...?
  
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  Dutch (ex) JWs: Online survey sexual abuse within JW Netherlands by Utrecht University

  by jochie in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  since today dutch (ex)jws are asked to fill out an online survey by utrecht university with regard to (child) sexual abuse.as chairman of reclaimed voices i call on all dutch speaking (ex) jws to fill out this survey in case you were a victim of abuse or in case you know of someone else that was abused within the jehovah's witnesseswith your participation you contribute to an important investigation that is carried out.link to the survey: https://usbo.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/sv_4hkmbqjhlm0uhmh

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  WOW, "remarkable" indeed, as the news article puts it. I'm relying on a google translation since I have zero knowledge of Dutch. Is this guy rogue or is the GB orchestrating something here? It's difficult to believe they're coming clean in Holland. This is certainly worth watching!

  Google translation of picture caption:

  The board of Jehovah's Witnesses Netherlands has called on its members to participate in research at Utrecht University into sexual abuse within the organization. The appeal is remarkable because the denomination normally avoids contact with non-ecclesiastical authorities.

  The rest:

  The call is included in an internal letter in the hands of RTL News.
  Personal choice
  

  In the letter, which was sent to all departments last week, the board asks members who are victims of child abuse to fill in a questionnaire on the Utrecht University site. He is commissioned by the Ministry of Justice and Security to investigate abuse within Jehovah's Witnesses.

  "Of course participation in this study is a personal choice," the board writes in the letter. "Nevertheless, we hope that this will give Utrecht University accurate and balanced information about how our organization responds to abuse."
  
  According to sources within the church, the letter was read during meetings in the church buildings. Jehovah's Witnesses was unable to respond to this message on Monday, a RTL News spokesperson said.

  Under attention
  
  Jehovah's Witnesses have recently been discredited because they only prosecute perpetrators of child abuse internally and do not report them to the police and the judiciary. The organization also refuses to hand over documents on internal court cases to the judiciary. Therefore, last November the police raided the headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses.

  Kees van den Bos, research leader at Utrecht University is 'naturally' happy with the appeal from the board of Jehovah's Witnesses. "We have been in touch by email over the past few weeks and have asked them to bring our research to the attention of their members. It's nice to hear that they have done so now." The researchers were not involved in the preparation of the letter.

  Victims
  
  The investigators have now received 'a few hundred serious reports' about abuse within Jehovah's Witnesses. Van den Bos could not say whether the last call led to new reports.

  The Reclaimed Voices Foundation, which represents victims of abuse within Jehovah's witnesses, is also "positive" that the Jehovah's Witnesses point their members to this investigation. "We hope that active Jehovah's Witnesses who are victims of sexual abuse or who are aware of a situation will participate in the investigation," says President Raymond Hintjes.
  
  The research at Utrecht University came about following a motion from the House of Representatives. The goal is to see how Jehovah's Witnesses deals with reports of child abuse. Anyone who has experience with abuse within that church can report to the investigators until 1 June. The intention is that the final report can be published in the autumn.
  
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  Has anyone on here used this forum to announce they were out and revealed their real name?

  by HiddenPimo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just wondering if anyone has ever posted their personal information and have proof that the borg is watching and sent the gestapo to get them?.

  i will be announcing my resignation and da myself - and i am objectively looking at either doing it bud dwyer (not really like him but by extension) style at a meeting or an email blast or just giving a letter to the boe?.

  any advice is appreciated.

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  HP,

  A few thoughts for you to think about:
  

  Isn't writing a letter of disassociation playing by their rules and doing what they would prefer you to do? Doesn't it save them the trouble of having to DF you? Isn't it playing into just what they want you to do?

  While you may be upset now at finding out about their corruption, lies, etc., what might be the possible benefits of allowing a cooling down period of six months to a year? Will you feel differently then from what you feel now? Will your thinking be clearer and less emotional then?

  Some people here have expressed regret at having written such a DA letter, sometimes because it hindered their trying to help others see TTATT. That act closed doors that might have remained open had they acted with more insight into the future.

  Just some ideas to think about...
  
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  Was There An Occasion Where An Entire Congregation Broke Away?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i remember reading somewhere (perhaps on here?

  ) than an entire congregation disassociated and started their own congregation after decided that the gb were apostate.. was this an urban myth or is there any evidence of this?.

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  Thanks SBF for that ref. I read it and although it mentions the problems in Taiwan, I remember reading something else that had much more honest detail. i wonder if that source has to be found in print form since it has been sanitized in the electronic version (?). Anyway, somewhere I read statistics that showed how the majority of Taiwanese Witnesses went off after some local bro who disagreed with Knorr and his reps, and that it took years for the org to recover in Taiwan. Perhaps it was in the stats on average publishers there in individual yearbooks, and/or in the ybs following the schism when each country had a small blurb on it.
  
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  Was There An Occasion Where An Entire Congregation Broke Away?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i remember reading somewhere (perhaps on here?

  ) than an entire congregation disassociated and started their own congregation after decided that the gb were apostate.. was this an urban myth or is there any evidence of this?.

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  Pretty much an entire country once broke away: it was Taiwan, I think. This was reported in the WTS literature. I remember reading about it in a yearbook, back when the yearbooks, for a particular year, focused on the history of the org in just a few countries. The incident occurred years ago, back in the days of one branch servant. The guy had some falling out with Knorr and Franz, or maybe it was JFR? They "removed" him but most of the country went with the guy, not with the org. For years afterward, "growth was very slow there," to quote the official line. The guy had poisoned the well for the org. Eventually the org recovered, of course, but it took many years to do so.

  If someone here has the yearbooks in their library, perhaps they can find the story by finding out which year has the history of Taiwan in it. Today they would never relate the story (or likely put the ybs online or on a CD), but I remember reading it in a old yb. That yb dates to sometime after the late 50s or early 60s. Back then they gave a short blurb on each country. If I remember correctly, it was a yb from the 1970s (but I might be wrong here). I think it was in the late 60s or early 70s when they began the yb format of focusing on the history of just a few countries each year. They used to give quite a history. I imagine when they came out with Proclaimers book, those ybs were a major source of info for it. The Proclaimers book, however, nowhere mentions the Taiwan break-away like the older yb did.
  

  If someone could find this yb, I'd appreciate knowing the year.
  
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  2 Class Action Lawsuits in Canada

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  another class action from canada.. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/jehovahs-witness-sexual-abuse-1.4532041.

  zing.

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  Thanks again. Is it likely that the two provincial lawsuits can be combined into one federal one?
  
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  Lawsuits In Canada N WBTS

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the lawsuit saga continues to pursue wbts in canada, montreal now.. https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/superior-court-green-lights-suit-regarding-alleged-sexual-abuse-among-jehovah-s-witnesses-1.4323076.

  quebec superior court has authorized a class action lawsuit against two jehovah's witnesses entities alleging a culture of silence within the group led to the covering up of sexual abuse.. zing.

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  Thanks for the update, Zing.
  
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  A film on the Amish and those that leave

  by days of future passed in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's a simple but telling film of two families that leave the amish.

  they experience what jw's do when leaving.

  the film maker has a slow but interesting view of what goes on in the amish religion as well as the challenges that the two families have.

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  I know one ex-Amish chap who left that faith along with 4 of his 10 siblings. 5 stayed and 5 left. Those who leave are completely cut off, like JWs. The 5 who left are very tight. They provide support for one another. The one I know is very bitter about his past religion and the family who cut him off. He tells me his siblings who left are too. Sound familiar?
  
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  No Religion is growing

  by Giordano in

  1. social
  2. current

  (cnn)for the first time "no religion" has topped a survey of americans' religious identity, according to a new analysis by a political scientist.

  the non-religious edged out catholics and evangelicals in the long-running general social survey.. https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/13/us/no-religion-largest-group-first-time-usa-trnd/index.html.

  ryan burge, a political scientist at eastern illinois university and a baptist pastor, found that 23.1% of americans now claim no religion.. .

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  Ask SBF. He studies this sort of thing.