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  Looking for single sister/non sister to chat and have fun with

  by Chris34 in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  hi,.

  im 34/m/idaho looking to chat/cam with female that is also looking for the same.. hit me up, looks forward to meeting you.. chris .

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  careful

  Is this for real? A troll? Joker? Witness plant?

  Should it be in the humor section?
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  The prayer for his family may indicate that he's on death's doorstep. Thus he may have requested he be relieved of duties in order to be with them his final days. Perhaps the GB does not want to appear too hypocritical -- remember how they said certain elders should not serve in certain positions if they were too old and frail. Who knows? We'll have to see what shakes out here.
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  Hopefully a reputable bethel insider will leak what's really going on.
  

  Spot on, nowwhat?!!

  RULES & REGULATIONS, that's a chip off the old block of OUTLAW here!
  
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  Jehovah's witnesses sying County Governor om Oslo and Boken, Norway

  by InquiryMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  oops title going wrong.

  suing, in and viken correct.

  this afternoon a press release from the jw has been published in major news outlets in norway concerning the withdrawal of registration etc..

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  Vidiot, it's probably more than just cheddar. The article mentions that they would lose the right to officiate weddings. There are probably other rights/privileges that they would lose as well, not just $$/€€/££.

  Then too, as DS brings out, they are probably concerned that this idea may spread to other European countries. They have had legal success with the EU high courts, so they may have their eyes set on that, and suing the Norwegian government is a step toward that, should they not get the legal decision they want in Norway.

  Finally, remember that this whole thing in Norway has been instigated by now DFed "apostate" Rolf Furuli, so, just like JWs/ex-JWs who have leaked in-house docs, they are going after/opposing him in this legal way.

  In sum, there are likely number of factors at work here, more than just money.
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  Gun Ownership - A question for American Witnesses (or Ex-Witnesses)

  by no-zombie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to ask a question regarding gun ownership in the active american witnesses community.

  while rifle ownership has been put in the same category as spear guns and fishing rods, how has the issue of pistol ownership been handled in us congregations?

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  I figured someone would question the idea that Witnesses are or have been employed in law enforcement, and tenyearsafter did. If you listen to this audio of an interview of actress Teresa Graves from some old assembly/convention, a NYC undercover cop Witness who carries a gun is mentioned (with an apology/defense by the interviewing brother). Go to 21:20-22:17.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ziru8axnuNU
  

  Additionally, there was bro back in the late 70s-early 80s who worked for the FBI. I can't document this like the Graves interview, and this info was provided to me confidentially, a promise I will keep. I can say the this bro was uniquely used to help certain Witnesses.

  Have you considered, tenyearsafter, that since you now know that the org has double standards in multiple areas, that this supposed "HIGHLY frowned upon" view of employment requiring guns—given to the R&F—just might be another one?
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  Gun Ownership - A question for American Witnesses (or Ex-Witnesses)

  by no-zombie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to ask a question regarding gun ownership in the active american witnesses community.

  while rifle ownership has been put in the same category as spear guns and fishing rods, how has the issue of pistol ownership been handled in us congregations?

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  It would depend on the reason for the handgun possession. Is the Witness in law enforcement? Does he or she work in an environment where wild animals are a threat (backcountry ranger, wilderness guide, remote logger,) or while a Witness was hunting for food (hunters often carry handguns too as backup)? Also, the org has long made a distinction between gun ownership and the use of such guns. That is, it is only when a gun is discharged that the local BOE might become involved. They meet in order to decide if any "bloodguilt" is attached, if the gun's use was necessary, if the supposedly biblical "respect for life" was somehow violated, etc.

  Helpful?
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  Exercise Patience Regional Convention

  by Rattigan350 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the theme of the in person convention this year is "exercise patience".

  looking at the convention map, they are really using their assembly halls and they are using smaller civic centers or city arena.

  no more huge stadiums.. are they not expecting a great crowd?

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  I can't help but think that this year's convention theme is telling. Could it be that the not-so-bright GB is sending a message?

  Like "OK, things aren't really going well. Newbies are rare. The youth are leaving in unprecedented numbers. Those men reaching out are aging, dwindling, and replacements are few. We're shrinking. We've tried to spin the numbers thru pushing child baptism and reclassifying RVs as 'doorstep Bible studies,' but even that's not really hiding the facts."

  "Exercise patience with us!"
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  Jehovah's witnesses sying County Governor om Oslo and Boken, Norway

  by InquiryMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  oops title going wrong.

  suing, in and viken correct.

  this afternoon a press release from the jw has been published in major news outlets in norway concerning the withdrawal of registration etc..

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  Google translation.

  Jehovah's Witnesses are suing the State Administrator in Oslo and Viken

  LAWSUIT: Jehovah's Witnesses are suing the state following a decision to strip them of registration as a religious community. Uses harsh words about the state administrator.

  On Friday, Jehovah's Witnesses sent a lawsuit against the State Trustee in Oslo and Viken to the Oslo District Court.

  The background is that before Christmas, the state administrator withdrew the Jehovah's Witnesses' registration as a religious community.

  "The state administrator's decision is not based on any judgments or any evidence whatsoever of alleged violations of other people's rights," Jehovah's Witnesses write in a press release.Vårt Land was in contact with state administrator Valgerd Svarstad Haugland on Friday afternoon.

  - Now this will be a case in the judiciary. Then we have to deal with it when the time comes, she says to Vårt Land.

  The core of the dispute: exclusionary practices

  The State Administrator's decision is linked to Jehovah's Witnesses' exclusion practice, which the State Administrator considers illegal.

  Losing the status as a registered religious community means that state support and the authority to marry disappear.The decision is not yet legally binding after the Oslo district court decided on a so-called temporary injunction.

  This is what the State Administrator said about the decision in December:- In our opinion, the religious community violates the members' right to free expression. We believe this violates the members' right to freedom of religion. We also believe that they violate children's rights by allowing the exclusion of baptized minors, and by encouraging members to socially isolate children who do not follow the religious community's rules.

  Stop complaining to the ministry - go to court

  "Due to the importance of the question, and the time aspect, we have decided not to complain to the Ministry of Children and Families, but to bring the decision on refusal of registration to the courts," Jehovah's Witnesses write in their press release.

  The religious community claims that a complaint to the ministry would only be "an unnecessary postponement of the situation"."Furthermore, the ministry has already expressed its view in connection with the decision to deny us state subsidies for 2021", it continues.

  Accusations of prejudice and stigmatization

  Jehovah's Witnesses claim in the press release that the state administrator's decision "is based solely on a prejudiced and erroneous interpretation of a religious teaching."

  They call the authorities' decision "discriminatory" and claim it "conveys a message that there is something seriously wrong with Jehovah's Witnesses".

  This "affects the lives of the more than 12,000 Jehovah's Witnesses in Norway", believes the religious community.The decision "stigmatizes a religious minority that was brutally persecuted under the Nazi regime, and which is still persecuted in countries such as Russia," Jehovah's Witnesses write further.

  This is how state administrator Valgerd Svarstad Haugland responds to descriptions such as "discriminatory" and "prejudiced":- I have met many nice Jehovah's Witnesses. I will not use such words against them. Beyond that, I have no comment.

  Valgerd Svarstad Haugland: - Can still practice his faith

  There is no one who has deprived Jehovah's Witnesses of the right to be Jehovah's Witnesses and to practice their faith, stresses state administrator Valgerd Svarstad Haugland.

  - But we have deprived them of financial support and registration, because we believe that their exclusion practices are on a collision course with Norwegian law, says Haugland.
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  What happened to Catholic church bashing.

  by Hellothere in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i remember back in the 80s almost every awake and watchtower magazine, think all, hade an article about how bad and evil catholic church was.

  what happened to all the bashing?

  was it because people in catholic countries got offended?

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  BB, two fine observations:

  the old firebrands of Rutherford and Franz have replaced by grey nonentities. The bland insipid message today is cold porridge .Perhaps in the modern world they are afraid of criticism for “ hate speech “
  
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  Hell, what is it

  by Anony Mous in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so perhaps we all heard the jw story about jesus talking to gehenna and he was referring to a place outside the city where there was a dump burning refuse and everyone knew what it meant.. according to jw.org: tradition relates that the valley of hinnom thereafter became a place for the disposal of garbage.

  and the bible provides confirmation for this.

  at jeremiah 31:40, for example, the valley of hinnom is evidently called the “low plain of the carcasses and of the fatty ashes.” there was also the “gate of the ash-heaps,” a gate that seems to have opened out onto the eastern extremity of the valley of hinnom at its juncture with the kidron valley.​—nehemiah 3:13, 14.. i think i heard that in the study of the greatest teacher book first.

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  Some interesting links show that there is no real evidence for the commonly heard claims in WTS literature:

  https://pulpitandpen.org/2014/06/05/the-burning-garbage-dump-of-gehenna-myths-thatll-preach/
  

  https://www.bibleplaces.com/blog/2011/04/myth-of-burning-garbage-dump-of-gehenna/