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  Belgian court decision

  by vienne in

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  https://bitterwinter.org/the-ghent-saga-ends-belgium-cassation-court-confirms-that-shunning-is-lawful/.

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  Thanks for the link. Massimo's at it still!
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  Thoughts on annual meeting “new light”

  by FFGhost in

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  2. beliefs

  so, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.

  old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.

  the “door of the ark” is closed.

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  Thx for your summary and your questions. One point to consider, namely your query,

  then what exactly is the point of the preaching work?
  

  they have long taught that saving via the preaching work is not the primary purpose of it. It is first to make God's name Jehovah known. In this they have succeeded. I remember when I was out in the FS people used to say things like, "Oh, it's you Jehovahs again." I got so tired of it I almost told one householder. Yep, I'm Jehovah God. I've come down personally from heaven just to speak with you!" If I recall, I was being harassed some Machiavellian elder that day, so I was not in a good mood. But you've got to hand one thing to the org: they have made the name "Jehovah" known in a lot of places.

  Perhaps the AM part here was partly to deal with the fact that the whole earth has not come to know this name, like in China, much of India, and most Arab lands (?).
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  If AMG III would return now

  by Gorb in

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  2. friends

  if amg iii would return now to the congregation, he would be mad because of:.

  - rank & file and elders not reporting fs time, very recent an issue to bring someone in highest correction mode.

  - jw's with official beard permission .

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  I can’t help but think tomo 3 may have been the person standing in the way of things moving forward. This combined with his drinking and loud mouth were what got him axed.
  

  I'll drink to that!

  
  

  
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses suing Dutch State for discrimination

  by Tahoe in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://nltimes.nl/2023/12/11/jehovahs-witnesses-suing-dutch-state-discrimination .

  the jehovah’s witnesses have sued the dutch state for discrimination, the religious organization informed trouw.

  they consider it discriminatory that the government investigated them, but no other religious organization, for their handling of sexual abuse cases.. utrecht university conducted the investigation involved, following publications in trouw in which sexual abuse victims within the jehovah’s witnesses described what happened to them, and published the results in january 2020. utrecht university concluded that 60 percent of sexual abuse victims were very critical of how the jehovah’s witnesses handled their cases, scoring the handling a 1 out of 10. many victims were traumatized by how things were handled, the researchers said.. sander dekker, then the minster for legal protection, ordered the investigation at parliament’s insistence because the jehovah’s witnesses failed to arrange an investigation themselves, as the catholic church did at the time with the deetman commission.. the jehovah’s witnesses cooperated in the utrecht university investigation but unsuccessfully tried to stop the publication of its results.

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  Vidiot:

  So, they lost the case:

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/18hej08/judge_state_did_not_discriminate_against_jehovahs/
  

  Frankly, at this point, I’m kinda surprised the Org even bothered in the first place…

  …they’ve been losing in court so often lately, it feels like “ugh, what’s the point?”

  They may have felt, "We have to do something!" Even after the loss, they will probably console themselves with "at least we tried."
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  Report from Cleveland Ohio CA Willoughby assembly hall

  by nowwhat? in

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  pre covid attendance 1300. i'm almost positive they didn't realign the circuit.. a multitude of 2 baptized.

  1 adult one older teen males.

  here's the kicker, they eliminated the pre deficit scam!!

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  nowwhat?--thanks for the post.

  Here's the kicker, they eliminated the pre deficit scam!!
  

  I've got to wonder if they gave up the deficit scam because it was exposed on places like this forum.
  
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  Looking for those with legal expertise to work for free

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  an announcement to all congregations those with legal experience please come and work for free to cover up child abusers.. i mean what else would it be for?.

  the cheek of it.. so the direction was always don’t go for advanced education and careers but now they are looking for such ones to give if their time and education for free?.

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  Just to clarify: "Such ones could have foreseen the mass of legal trouble the org was headed toward and left the legal department" not necessarily the org.
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  Looking for those with legal expertise to work for free

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  an announcement to all congregations those with legal experience please come and work for free to cover up child abusers.. i mean what else would it be for?.

  the cheek of it.. so the direction was always don’t go for advanced education and careers but now they are looking for such ones to give if their time and education for free?.

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  Have you considered the possibility that some Witness lawyers don't want to fill that role, especially if they did so in the past and were more competent than yes-man Brumley? Such ones could have foreseen the mass of legal trouble the org was headed toward and left, creating the current void. Now the org is hard up and looking for replacements, more brainless yes-men who will do whatever the GB tells Brumley to implement?

  It's just one possible scenario.
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  Abuser/Fugitive JW Pedro Matías Vargas Caught

  by EasyPrompt in

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  2. child-abuse

  https://www.apfdigital.com.ar/despachos.asp?cod_des=392562.

  "jehovah's witness of st. helena convicted of abuse was captured .

  paraná, oct 13 (apfdigital) .

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  So is all this in Argentina?
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  2023 WTS Annual Meeting?

  by careful in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the first saturday in oct. is coming up soon.

  that's when the org holds its annual meeting.

  not that many years back, it used to be hyped beforehand with favored ones getting special invites.

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  No offense SBF, but if you really think that they'd even mention AM III,

  I wonder, was there any reference at all, even a very oblique one, to the removal of AM3 from the GB? You’d think they might make some kind of vague reference to it, if for no other reason than to avoid the impression that are embarrassed about it.
  

  then you have no idea how their mind works! You are truly out of touch with "God's earthly spokesmen," SBF!!!

  In seems unlikely to me that their motives in slashing hourly requirements are for the benefit of the average publisher. We know that they seldom reveal their true motives for anything, and when they do supply some supposed reason for any change, it's usually some BS, or some PR move, far removed from their real reasons.

  Perhaps they want to appoint men without them having to meet the longstanding 10-hour a month requirement. Or maybe there's some legal reason that no one can yet see. Legal reasons are often at work behind their policy changes. Perhaps they see a problem with such in-house data collection and the spirit behind the EU's GDPR. Surely some active Witnesses were irked by having to sign their org waiver to such collection. Even the daft GB can see that the spirit of the GDPR represents the future, and they, in an apparent rare display of insight (warned by Brumley?), are making a move in order to avoid legal problems down the line. These are just conjectures.

  In any case, time may reveal more info on the reasons for this change.

  As for Cook's "the JW B Broadcast," could it be that he almost let the phrase "the JW BS Broadcast" slip out? Just kidding, of course!
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  2023 WTS Annual Meeting?

  by careful in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the first saturday in oct. is coming up soon.

  that's when the org holds its annual meeting.

  not that many years back, it used to be hyped beforehand with favored ones getting special invites.

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  Thanks, BelisemDeBelimakom, for the reddit link!

  A double nothing burger with a side of nothing.

  And nothing sauce.

  BethS, LOL!!