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  Closest to the truth?

  by punkofnice in

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  i know many jws that state that the watchtower corporation is the 'closest to the truth'.

  thus they quiet their cognitive dissonance.. i don't have access to a corporation library any more.

  is this a stance that the watchtower corporation has actually claimed?.

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  PON, thanks for the thread.

  When I was in and gradually discovering the corruption of the org, I remember having a conversation with one close bro. that I could open up to about it. Our conclusion was as you put above. So I asked him, "OK, so starting this Saturday when we go out in service, we should tell the householders, 'Come on, join up with us. We've got all sorts of issues, but we're much closer to the truth than the churches are'?" He got visibly upset. Last I heard, he's still in. Some years after this conversation, after I'd faded, I visited him at work and he cut me off (a real Dr. Jekyll-Mr. Hyde routine). The truth was just too dangerous for him...
  
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  Hands up.........................

  by The Searcher in

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  ................who ordered the chinese takeaway?????????

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  It looks Korean, not Chinese (???). Some of Kim Jong-un's boys at work? Perhaps due to anything connected with the WTS? Perhaps this is, in their minds, payback after they busted some poor slob for trying to smuggle some WTS literature/electronic data into their "paradise"? Maybe they just sent out a minor electronic attack to anything with JW in the name.
  
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  NWT 2013

  by truthlover in

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  the old nwt contained a byline that indicated westcott and hort was used in the translation of this bible.

  (they are not mentioned in the 2013 release) but you and i both know that their wordings in scripture remain in the new release.. if you check their background, you will find some serious issues with these translators which the society used.

  has anyone googled wh for their spiritual qualifications to include them in the nwt??

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  TD1914, I couldn't agree more.

  I fault them for ignoring some of the bigger questions that arise from the study of ... criticism of the Bible, such as the many contradictions in the Bible that they don't acknowledge. Instead they try to "explain" them away.

  I suspect they just cannot handle this sort of truth. That's why they get hostile to anyone who asks about this kind of thing. They have to live in a fantasy land. Simple minds cannot acknowledge such truths and still maintain faith.
  
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  Undeclared changes to the 2013 NWT

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the following from the 2013 edition of the nwt, the watchtower society indicates that when it released its initial 1950 edition, it considered the greek text provided by westcott and hort as its master text.

  as a result of these additional masters, the wts made some undeclared changes to the 2013 nwt.

  it does not list these changes or give any explanations.. greek text: in the late 19th century, scholars b. f. westcott and f.j.a.

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  Wonderment, thank you for your work!
  
  Of course, the NWT translators have made a point that in this revision the older versions of the NWT have become more readable, often in spite of the difficulty of the Hebrew (see, for example, Gen. 48:22; Ex. 1:21; Job 12:5-6). So why did they only partially do so here? They are willing to change "Kiss the son, that He may not become incensed" to "Honor the son, or God will become indignant," but not provide a meaningful translation for "perish in the way." Doesn't that seem odd? In hundreds of other passages they opted for the renderings in translations like the NIV, NEB, and so on, so why not here? Taking refuge in the difficult Hebrew while having the courage to work with that same handicap elsewhere seems inconsistent, eh?
  
  For instance, consider these intelligible translations:
  "and you are struck down in mid course," NEB.
  "and your way come to nothing," NJB.
  "and your way be doomed," NJPS/Tanakh.
  "and your ways will be destroyed," NIV.
  
  Wouldn't one of these renderings have been suitable here, rather than leave the reader wondering what the phrase means while the org. claims to make the Scriptures understandable?

  
  
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  Large print revised NWT?

  by careful in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the jan. jwdotorg.

  broadcast posted by wifibandit here,.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4737040503537664/jw-broadcasting-december-2015.

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  In the Jan. JWdotOrg. broadcast posted by wifibandit here,

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4737040503537664/jw-broadcasting-december-2015
  

  the main chair Mark Noumair is using a large print soft binding revised NWT with the same gray-silver laptop color as the small revised NWT released a few years ago. Later in the vid the sister using the black laptop seems to have one too. So is this out and available to average publishers? If so, does it replace the old large, brown hard-cover print one from 1984? What are the features that make it different from the standard sized gray-silver Bible? Would some here with this new edition fill the rest of us in on it?

  Thanks.
  
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  Undeclared changes to the 2013 NWT

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the following from the 2013 edition of the nwt, the watchtower society indicates that when it released its initial 1950 edition, it considered the greek text provided by westcott and hort as its master text.

  as a result of these additional masters, the wts made some undeclared changes to the 2013 nwt.

  it does not list these changes or give any explanations.. greek text: in the late 19th century, scholars b. f. westcott and f.j.a.

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  Thanks Splash. What does "perish from the way" mean? If they were looking to make the revision more intelligible, they missed something here!
  
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  JW Sites?

  by EternalPettingZoo in

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  long time lurker who just created an account.

  i was raised a witness, never dunked, have new jw bride ( why u ask?

  um... i do love her, just not the dub side, which is raising its little head more and more now) and a little 5 month old that i would like to have other options in life than a full time pioneer married to a 23 year old ms who works for his daddy's janitor business.

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  "without bias"---now THAT'S funny!
  
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  New British terror attack just occured train station!

  by Witness 007 in

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  2. experiences

  a man yelling "this is for syria" slashed a strangers throat and was quickly tasered by police and arrested.

  video avalible...looks like war is coming soon.

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  LINKS:

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3347632/Tube-terror-knifeman-screaming-Syria-blood-spilled-slashes-man-s-throat-Tasered-police.html
  

  http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/05/suspect-custody-after-stabbing-leytonstone-london-underground-station
  
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  Awesome New Books on JW's, MUST READ!

  by johnny depp in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hey, i just thought i let you guys know about these two books i read:jehovah's witnesses, what lies behind the truththe watchtower society, organizational misbehaviorboth books by gabriel h ibarra.

  awesome!

  awesome!

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  From the web:

  Jehovah’s Witnesses continue to blind themselves to the total ruthless control the Organization as a living organism has over their lives as it imposes, molds, and uses its members as expendables to expand its own sovereign powers. Presented within this work are experiences that show the Organization’s ruthless tactics, using disposable victims for its own selfish gain. Experiences which establish without question that “the loving, caring Organization” as preached by Jehovah’s Witness propaganda simply does not exist. This work destroys the blinders of faith and value giving readers the keen social perception needed to view the Jehovah’s Witness religion like an outsider but from within, to clearly see the difference between what is preached and what is practiced. It exposes the true speech and conduct of Jehovah’s Witnesses unseen by the public.

  330 pages. $50.

  Sounds pretty "ruthless...ruthless..."

  http://www.lulu.com/shop/gabriel-h-ibarra/jehovahs-witnesses-what-lies-behind-the-truth/paperback/product-22456705.html
  
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  I made a bet...

  by Garrett in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ...with a sister.

  she says she knows an elder that can prove me wrong in everything i say about the organization.

  i bet her that he will not be able to answer my questions and if he does, that he will tell me to have faith.

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  Maybe a ploy to get you disfellowshiped? Be careful!