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  Honeymoon over for the carts

  by Deltawave in

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  speaking with inlaws i another congregation today who said exactly what is being said in our own hall.

  the trolly work is long and boring and no one even notices they are there anymore but walk right on by.

  jehovah really is speeding up the work lol.

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  THANK YOU, DAVID JAY! They have become more and more shameful.
  
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  Bob up and down Naked.......Really???

  by Giordano in

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  after meticulous research here are the documented scientific pronouncements of the wtbt$.

  “air baths are good for preventing colds.

  what you do is strip naked mornings and evenings and then bob up and down for a while.” golden-age feb 1926 pg 310. .

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  SBF, there was this article authored by Lowell Dixon, Brooklyn Bethel head physician, and Writing Department member Gene Smalley, in the JAMA here:
  

  http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=364809
  

  Official? Well, not really, but surely it must have been authorized by the GB.
  
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  My life After Bethel Part 1

  by new boy in

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  the day i left it was pouring rain........i really screwed up, i found out the night before, as i was packing things up, that i had way under estimated how much stuff i had.

  i had two large suit cases (that i could barely shut the lids on) and a large army duffel bag.

  i would guess about 200 pounds of shit......my van was in rhode island with the engine out of it.

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  Prologos: I hope it was a VW bus and not a beetle!
  
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  New Field Service Report

  by cognac in

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  2. friends

  has anyone seen this?

  when did that happen?.

  http://www.jw-archive.org/post/137681838624/new-service-report-jwinspirational.

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  It's been so long that I forgot the precise format of the old FS slip, but it is interesting, isn't it, that the hours are down in the list, placed below the electronic data? Doesn't this show how their emphasis has changed? Will they now go around asking "how many electronic views have you shown this month, brother/sister?" or requiring a minimal number of electronic data when considering appointments or deciding whether they should approve some publisher for "special privileges"?

  I could quote Huxley and say, "Oh, Brave New World!" but that would hide the fact that they are returning in principle to the Rutherfordesque phonographs played at the door.

  Maybe they'll go over to merit badges with tallied electronic views that the microphone handlers can hang from their suits as they run around the hall during meetings!

  
  
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  Is there evidence for networks of abuse?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i tend to avoid the subject because it's too depressing, so i've probably missed lots of discussion about this issue.

  but i read a comment on youtube yesterday that shocked me and made me wonder.

  the person claimed that many years ago abusers in society generally identified jws as a safe haven for abusers and joined en masse order to exploit the situation.

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  Kramer, believe what you want. It really happened. If you look at my other posts and comments, they are all real. Regardless of your personal feelings about God, the Bible, etc., the situation in 2 Tim. that I cited reflects a historical aspect of early Christianity. Perhaps you were not exposed to the wild swinging lifestyle of the 1960-1980s, but it was indeed real, and it made inroads into the Witness world.
  
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  Is there evidence for networks of abuse?

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. child-abuse

  i tend to avoid the subject because it's too depressing, so i've probably missed lots of discussion about this issue.

  but i read a comment on youtube yesterday that shocked me and made me wonder.

  the person claimed that many years ago abusers in society generally identified jws as a safe haven for abusers and joined en masse order to exploit the situation.

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  An interesting thought. When I was active I was in one congo that had two male newbies come in around the same time. As I recall, they were baptized at the same assembly. One was the most sexually active person I've ever met. He'd starting having sex with his mom when he was pre-schooler. Even though he was single, he screwed several times a day, married and unmarried sisters, brothers (he was truly bisexual), but he especially liked young girls. He made his living as a private hairdresser who went into people's homes in order to work on their hair. He really was like 2 Tim. 3:6 says. Most publishers, and even the elders, saw him as very lovable. In fact the elders reproved, rather than DFed him time and again. Finally they had to DF him, after he'd broken up marriages and made many young teen virgin girls hot-to-trot, eventually the most powerful elder's 12-year old daughter. From what I heard, he really was a great lover. Many sisters said it was the best sex they'd ever had. One even abandoned her husband and kids to run off with him a while. The sisters used to get together and compare notes on the guy. One elder whose attractive wife he failed to seduce called him a stud.
  

  The other guy came in and right after his baptism, married a really cute, but very dumb, single sister who'd had a background of sexual abuse as a girl. She had a very cute 5-year old daughter. Right after their marriage they moved away, and some years later it came out that the guy was having sex regularly with the young girl, in fact, all through her childhood and teen years. Then he dumped them both and took off.
  

  So your idea couldn't help but make me think of these two since they came in together. They even studied with the same pioneer-elder who was quite oblivious of modern culture (ultra loyal, ex-missionary, big-shot ex-bethelite, truly in JWland). The congo was on a basic level very friendly and thus had frequent low-key picnics, get togethers, dinners, etc., so these two guys were often together at them. That congo in particular went out of its way to love bomb those studying, so these guys were always invited to the social events. Whether they planned all this as established pedophiles I do not know. This was before the internet, but I understand that now there are pedo-chatrooms where these people can get together and plan their attacks. So maybe you are onto something here. It's certainly worth pursuing, but other than the anecdotes like mine, how would you collect the info to do so?
  
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  A possible reason why the GB are becoming more demanding as things worsen

  by Listener in

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  basically because they feel they are not being blessed.. this is not to say that all gb members feel this way.

  the power hungry ones love getting the whip out.

  the other members incorrectly look to the old testament for answers.. they are telling the sheep to be faithful, dedicated, self sacrificing, serving to the fullest, whole hearted and obedient.

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  SBF, they have a precedent. This is exactly what Fred Franz did after the built up the R&F for Armag. coming in 1975.
  
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  Huge discrepancy between English and German wikipedia articles about JWs

  by Zana in

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  2. friends

  the english version seems fairly balanced.

  to me it almost has an apostate feel, citing coc or describing doctrine changes and interesting details about wt history.

  but the german version?

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  Thanks for this post!
  
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  Canada - Abuse allegations in Newfoundland casting a cloud over Jehovah's Witnesses

  by OrphanCrow in

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  2. child-abuse

  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/abuse-allegations-jehovahs-witness-1.3401468.

  abuse allegations in newfoundland casting a cloud over jehovah's witnessesallegations of abuse involving two members of the jehovah's witness religious movement in newfoundland have emerged, though details of the charges are protected by a court-ordered publication ban.

  cbc news has learned that a former volunteer church elder and his son are facing charges.the former elder is charged with sexual assault and sexual exploitation relating to allegations dating from 2009 to 2012 in central newfoundland.according to court documents, a second man is charged with sexual assault, with the information referencing a period between may 2011 and december 2013 in a community on the avalon peninsula.cbc news has confirmed that the pair are father and son.a sexual exploitation charge involves anyone in a position of trust or authority who commits an offence against a young person.the matter involving the older accused was called at a provincial court on wednesday.it was set over until next month, when a date is expected to be set for trial.the younger accused is scheduled to make a court appearance later this month.. read full article at link.. *note the very last sentence in the article.

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  Thanks for the post.
  
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  How far will they go?

  by careful in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been drawing back lately and looking at the big picture going on in the org, somewhat like slimboyfat has also been doing, but i am wondering about different possibilities.

  so the current gb has modernized recently in various ways.

  they have done a strong and sudden about-face regarding the electronic world, from viewing the whole thing suspiciously and condemning bros. use tablets from the platform to suddenly embracing them and causing the r&f to do so to such a degree that old ones are spending hundreds of dollars to buy devices that they have no clue how to use; they have heavily embraced this media for their message, very much like the churches have been doing for years, especially with their jw broadcasting and their caleb and sophia animations.

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  Thanks to all! Judging from the number and quality of the responses, I think this is the most successful thread I've posted, so I appreciate the input.
  
  OEJ:

  how does allowing facial hair or being more flexible on dress help them?

  How does Splane's pop music help them? If we say that it is some attempt to increase their appeal and thus increase membership, then doesn't the same reasoning hold for possibly loosening up on the formal dress?
  
  stuck…:
  Is pop music or use of "worldly" consultants a "serious issue"? I haven't chosen these but the GB has.
  
  smiddy: thanks for the input. We'll see if they continue following this trend.
  
  listener, berrygerry: How does the pop music change the bottom line? Is that a business change?
  
  lumberjack: I do not see how anything in the OP can register as a complaint. I'm just reporting the org's modern history factually, no emotion, no judging. Then I'm wondering if the future of the trends we see will include changes in dress and grooming. That's all.
  
  Magnum: thanks. Your thoughts are deep and I think I've seen you express them before. You are surely onto something here.
  
  Nicholaus K: Well, maybe, but the CO is their hands-on, mega-loyal link to HQ. Would they give that up for local elders some of whom can be problematic? Of course, you never know…
  
  brand-new and Island Man: I went to the Caribbean while still in, and it was indeed as you, Island Man, put it.

  Please keep the input coming.