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Possible leak from Annual Meeting 2018
by Listener ini'm a member on jw talk (until now at least) and have been regularly checking up on their thread regarding the annual meeting.
there hasn't been a great deal to report on except for this recent post that has been made.
i may get outed but that's no loss.
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Court documents reveal Watchtower's tactics in Montana child abuse case
by LevelThePlayingField inthere were numerous objections and claims that watchtower lawyers made to try and get out of being held responsible for their negligence and malice.
here’s the juicy ones:.
montana is a mandatory reporting state, but watchtower lawyers claimed that the law for reporting abuse only applies to “individuals” and they are “corporations”.
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This Montana case is forcing more WT secret info out into the public domain, doubtless to the great annoyance of the GB. Two things are striking. First, I have long been suspicious that this Vow of Obedience and Poverty that all Bethelites must sign is for more than just tax purposes. It's clear here that it is also an attempt to shelter Bethel workers from child abuse reporting laws by their supposedly being protected by clergy-penitent privilege.
More interesting is the second, related thing. It seems that some of these lower courts have gone ahead and made decisions on enforcing the child abuse reporting laws that are on the books without considering how they may be in conflict with the legal status of clergy-penitent privilege.
Regardless of what we may individually think about this matter, and, of course, not all countries have the idea of clergy-penitent privilege built into their legal systems, apparently no higher US courts have ruled on the inherent conflict between child abuse reporting laws and the legal principle behind clergy-penitent privilege. Otherwise, the GB's attempt to hide behind the latter would be of no legal value. The opposing lawyers would simply call to the attention of the judge that such a matter has already been decided in "such-and-such" case. But they have not done so.
Does anyone know if such a decision is working its way through the higher courts anywhere? If not, the GB's stance may eventually force it—after all, neither the Catholic church nor any other religious groups have attempted such legal argumentation. Perhaps Barb Anderson can answer this question?
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Secret documents from WHQ: JWs do everything to avoid reporting CSA
by jochie inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clbnspvradui have seen the documents myself but i am not able to share them without jeopardizing the source.the rtl broadcasting company has spoken to the orginal source and we know that these documents are real..
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It makes you wonder who is leaking this stuff. Could it be some insiders who are high up and thus have access to this stuff and who are also trying to force reform?
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1914 and 1919 immortalized in new Ezekiel book. Prepare for 2019 100th anniversary fanfare...
by Darth FayDehr in.
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So instead of "type" and "anti-type" are they now saying "first fulfillment" and "second fulfillment"? It seems like the language chosen has changed but not the concept. I suppose after bashing "type" and "anti-type" some years ago, they couldn't just go back to it.
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Annual meeting topic
by asp59 inhow many think they will announce in the annual meeting they just gonna have one meeting a week?
if they dont it will be astonishing, amazing and other things..
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So doesn’t them announcing the king of the north mean the end is now officially coming?
It's been "officially coming" for decades now!
What's the BE book?
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Annual meeting topic
by asp59 inhow many think they will announce in the annual meeting they just gonna have one meeting a week?
if they dont it will be astonishing, amazing and other things..
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Wasn't the one who said "we just love this new idea" David Splane?
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No Watchtower shipment
by LevelThePlayingField init was announced at our clam that there "was no shipment of the october study editions of the watchtower" and that they were asking if people could just use electronic or make their own copies.. is this just happening in ohio, or did you hear the same thing?.
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I have to wonder if this "oversight" was planned, a testing of the waters, to see if the blowback is minimal enough to institute this copying as policy. It would result in a savings in printing costs.
If this suspicion is true, then the GB is in a bit of a quandary: the congs are full of old people. More old people than young people will want printed copies. Are the congs ready to transition fully from hard copies to electronic ones, and are those who want hard copies willing to print their own? They seem to be taxing yet again the very ones who support them the most financially with still another expense.
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Is this the Kathleen DeSoto that was the lead attorney in the Montana case (35 million judgment)?
by Billzfan23 incurious to know if this is the kathleen desoto that was on the defense (watchtower) side during last week's 35 million dollar judgment for the plaintiffs in the child molestation case.
joel taylor and don herberger (spelling) were also on the borg's side in this case.. https://www.garlington.com/attorneys/kathleen-l-desoto.shtml.
does anyone know if that kathleen desoto has worked with the organization before, or was she just retained because she's local to montana and very highly ranked?.
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And if you are right, Vidiot, then the GB is paying all the more in this case, eh?
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Is this the Kathleen DeSoto that was the lead attorney in the Montana case (35 million judgment)?
by Billzfan23 incurious to know if this is the kathleen desoto that was on the defense (watchtower) side during last week's 35 million dollar judgment for the plaintiffs in the child molestation case.
joel taylor and don herberger (spelling) were also on the borg's side in this case.. https://www.garlington.com/attorneys/kathleen-l-desoto.shtml.
does anyone know if that kathleen desoto has worked with the organization before, or was she just retained because she's local to montana and very highly ranked?.
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Billzfan23,
Thanks for researching this. I just assumed, now evidently in error, that she was a Witness.
I suppose the term "Jehovah's Witness attorney Kathleen DeSoto" led me down the wrong path—hired as rep, not belongs to. I cannot picture a sister working up these credentials and staying in (unless I'm wrong here!). Still it is interesting that the GB would hire a woman for their rep. That cannot be accidental. They must be paying plenty, and she must not mind taking on a role that would put her on the wrong side in a public opinion poll. Of course, lawyers often do that for various reasons.
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JW's Would Stay With The Org Even If 1914 Was Dropped
by pale.emperor ini asked the question on quora: .
if the governing body abandoned the 1914 teaching, would you leave jehovah's witnesses or you would remain a member regardless?.
https://www.quora.com/if-the-governing-body-abandoned-the-1914-teaching-would-you-leave-jehovahs-witnesses-or-you-would-remain-a-member-regardless.
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Good OP, PE!
StarryNight9's words nicely summarize the difference in GB I and GB II's thinking:
"'obey even if it makes no sense' rather than 'we'll prove we're right'."
The old GB at least used to try, however feebly, to justify their beliefs. Today's GB in their self-produced high profile, doesn't even try. It's just "obey and be blessed."
In response to the thread's topic, few would leave if they dropped 1914 and few would care about the associated 1918/1919 dates. If some on the GB started sporting beards, THAT would cause a much bigger ruckus than changing 1914.