jenga is a simple game in which wooden blocks are neatly piled up - and then removed, one by one, until one person ( the person who loses.
the game) makes the pile collapse.. it is tempting to see the organization in the same way - making small but significant "removals" over time.
they pull out food service.
Man I have used that analogy and love it.
I magine the blocks are labeled. The ones that have been removed say 1874, 1925, generation of 1914, etc..
Then a big hand is pulling out one block that will obviously make the" tower" fall. It is labeled 607 or 1914.
I've wanted to draw a cartoon of this. I do I'll post it.
good topic Megatron
whilst christians like to portray jesus as the supreme example of love and mercy ( as opposed to a supposedly wicked 'watchtower god' ), does the bible's presentation of jesus cast him in quite the same flattering light that christians like to believe?
for instance, at revelation 19:15 jesus is described as 'smiting the nations and ruling them with a rod of iron and treading the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of almighty god.
' does jesus sound just as bad as the 'wicked watchtower god'?
Jesus is as bad as the wicked Watchtower God. I would not want him as a friend unless I could talk some sense into him. He would have to give up on destroying people who don't believe in him. I would have to tell him about mental illness and gender ambiguity and a host of other things he is not aware of because the scientists of his time hadn't written any books about these things that he could read.
But I suppose if he was willing to change I could take him fishing for a trial run.
i sometimes imagine that the wt is destroyed (mental masturbation yeah) and all the people left without hope, sanity and joy.
this will be terrible in itself, if the wt falls suddently i fear a mass suicide.i recall myself thinking that id would rather die that not be in "the truth".
it will be a terrible shock for everybody.
The WTS will have to make major changes in its doctrine if it plans to continue. Many will continue to leave over the tortured logic of what remains. I don't think they will disappear though. The SDAs think Christ returned in an invisible fashion back in 1844 and they are still alive and kicking.
When a group's doctrines no longer make sense they just discuss them less. I noticed that before I left.
Changes will come quitely, liberalism will grow. The average new comer will be one who does not do alot of research and just likes color pictures and a busy schedule.
Quality of life on earth is getting increasingly better. The annointed are getting increasingly older. Sit back and enjoy the show.
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what is that scripture?.
what is your response to the claim that the truth would divide families?.
I think like Odrade. Any strong opinion will create divisions. Thats why in the US they say don't talk about religion and politics.
As for creating divisions between family members many groups could claim that.
The founder of the NRA or AA or Peta or the Republican and Democratic Parties.
One thing I see though is that Jesus didn't say it was the Christians who would do the dividing. Maybe he meant that non Christian family members would avoid their opinionated Christian relatives.
Seems to me to avoid someone who commited a sin goes against the concept of that sin being washed clean by the ransom sacrifice. Or maybe some just don't accept the ransom sacrifice. Its all very foolish.
god tells david, "don't count my people".
david counts the people.. god tells david, "'cos you were naughty you gotta pick your punishment, will it be 'a' 7 years of famine, 'b' 3 months of national humiliation or 'c' 3 days of pestilence?
choose davey boy!".
This account is only three chapters past 21. I previously posted on the human sacrifice of seven men to appease the Gibeonites and please God so he would remove the famine. Like you I was looking to see if anyone wanted to justify this account.
Then God kills 70 grand in chapter 24. Because their leader screwed up. My leader is apparently a big screwball. Maybe God should kill a 100,000 grand Americans and make things better.
Imagine the headlines, "GOD KILLS 100,000, BUSH PROMISES TO BEHAVE"
I think that would make many "want" to love him.
Nice post, it would have made a nice #2 talk. remember those?
according to the wts if we do not produce acts of good work (feild service, attending 5 meetings weekly, circuit and district assemblies etc), we are not worthy of salvation.
according to the bible, we attain salvation through god's undeserved grace ( or kindness in jw lingo).
what i am looking for is scriptural proof that will shoot down the first and support the latter.
I don;t think the scriptures related to this subject, say we are saved by works alone, or by faith alone, or by grace alone. I also think every Christian would have varying measure of these. Even grace because God does have his favorites.
But if you believe the 27 books of the NT are from God and the writers were inspired and you were looking at these books for an answer and you wanted to have an answer that works with all scriptures I think that God applies grace to whom he chooses, Christians are those who have faith in Christ and a viable faith is accompanied by good deeds.
i am trying to build a list of hipocrisy with in the borg.
i dont mean things like the un scandal as people in the hall wont have heard of that, but smaller stuff that goes on all the time with out the rank and file noticing.
infant baptism.
How about instucting people at the doors to read the Bible and determine what it means, then question their religious leaders if what they teach is different than what the householder interpreted the Bible to mean.
Why can't JWs read the Bible and determine what they think it means then question the WTS if they teach something different?
Of course they can do this, they are just told not too.
For an illustration of this look at all the articles the WTS has written encouraging others to examine and change their religion.Use the WTS's own cdrom. Then imagine if the info was applied to the JWs. If you were a JW you know that the info was not meant for you and it would be unthinkable for you to heed the advice in the articles.
This is two sets of instructions ,one for the world and one for the JWs. That is hypocritical.
it is strange that in this day and age a country like china with a tradition of civilisation going back to ancient times treats cats and dogs as if they are nothing.
it's not just that they eat them or kill them for their fur but the cruel inhumane way in which the kill them, believing that if they die a painful death their meat will be more tasty.
not to mention that often they skin them alive as they don't care to wait until they die.
http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com/anderson-vid.asp
Check out the link for humane killing American style.
get your attention?.
i got to thinking today.......if our sharing information began to threaten big money and power.
how would they respond?
Tetra gave a good portrayal of the Inter Network. It can't be stopped by any one authority.
Now would they want as the post asks. I don't think so. It doesn't threaten business but conversely todays companies couldn't operate without it.
As for governments, they might not like people like Big Roy watching them and talking but without the Internet the governments couldn't watch people like Big Roy so closely.
More and more processes are making use of the internet and you probably use it and don't even realize it at times.
here is an actual jw response, from another board, about the new blood letter.
notice the brainwashing.the service meeting was very informative and clearly helped spell out the duties of our dear elders in helping us during a trying time.
it also made things very clear to each one of us regarding our individual responsibility when it comes to making our own choices on the blood issue.
The letter made it clear the WTS doesn't want to get sued for failing to inform JWs which medical procedures they are allowed to have. Now if a JW dies because they didn't know an option was "allowed" the WTS will say we told you to contact the HLC. Why won't the WTS just publish this info? Need to keep it clandestine for appearances sake.
