I am still amazed that governments like this still exist in so many parts of our globe. I can't imagine not having the freedom and expectation of justice that I do. Why don't they rise up and take control of their homelands. This is the danger with disarming citizens.
Woodsman
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Uzbekistan~WT EXPOSED AS 'CANCER'
by DannyHaszard inuzbek tv programme warns of christian missionary activities.
uzreport.com, uzbekistan - 1 hour ago.
... a russian woman named vera, captioned as a former member of a jehovah's witnesses organization, said that her group did not allow celebrating birthdays and ... former member of a jehovah's witnesses organization.
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JW Death Counter
by Nosferatu ini don't know who made this, but it's pretty cool!.
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http://www.jwdeathcounter.com/default.cfm.
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Woodsman
I like it.
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Should Bush and Cheney be Impeached?
by frankiespeakin inshould they be impeached for the iraq war?
if you google the words impeach, bush, and cheney, you will get about 1,600,000 hits.
even on the radio there is talk about the need to start the impeachment process.
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Umm, can I still talk about Bush or is this about something else now. Jeese, you can cut the tension with a knife.
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Tonight's service meeting
by sspo inwhat a load of crap- 10 min.
asking for more contributions in order to build more kh and reminded everyone not only to give cash but don't forget about leaving something for them in your will.. 25 min.
on the proper use of blood which is also a joke.. the km mentioned you cannot take the four components of blood individually in your body but every component was broken into smaller fractions which is up to you to make a decision to accept or reject.. the common jw does not know their left from their right in making decisions about the dozens of fractions of blood but they will obey blindly and not ask a question because that would be considered apostasy.. .
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If they ever try to interfere in any of my wife's treatments they better get ready to pull some buckshot out of their ass.
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Question: In light of the "new light" how will they now explain...???
by Lady Liberty inhello everyone, i have missed all of you... been away for a while and trying to catch up on the latest..which brings me to my question... there is much talk regarding the latest statement about the 24 elders guiding the organization from heaven right now as was apparently printed in the recent watchtower.
if they really begin emphasising this as some sort of damage control because of the growing amount claiming they are anointed, how will they be able to explain away their changing light on different subjects??.
right now when cornered regarding subjects that have changed, they simply say it is "new light", they have made mistakes, and that they never claim to be perfect, after all they too are only human...well, if the 24 elders have been actually running the show since 1914, then why the flip flopping of teachings??.
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Sorry, I thought I typed 00 not 06. Here it is.
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w908/15pp.30-31QuestionsFromReaders***Questions
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WillsomeanointedChristianssurvivethe"greattribulation"toliveonearthinthenewworldbeforebeingtakentoheaven?Pointedly, the Bible does not say.
Christians have long been interested in the privileges that God might extend to them. (Acts 1:6) That has especially been true in our time since the Kingdom was established. (Matthew 24:3, 24, 34) With the end of this wicked system to come in their time, Christians have wondered whether some spirit-anointed ones might live through "the war of the great day of God" and serve on earth for a time before receiving their heavenly reward. (Revelation 16:14) The Bible does not say that this will occur, yet certain patterns and prophecies have been taken to indicate that it might. Rather than be dogmatic, we can watch to see how God will handle things.
Some Biblical events have parallels later on among God’s people. For instance, we know that Jonah was in a large fish for three days and three nights. Some people would view that as simply an example of divine deliverance, but Jesus said that it was a prophetic pattern of how he would be in the grave for a comparable period before his resurrection. (Jonah 1:17; Matthew 12:40) Yes, Jonah’s experience was a prophetic type. Understandably, God’s servants have looked at prophecies and specific Bible accounts to see whether these might indicate how Jehovah will yet deal with them.
As an example involving Bible prophecy, TheWatchTower of December 15, 1928, discussed Micah 5:2-15. The book of Micah dealt with ‘the Assyrian’s’ desolating of Samaria and the Jews’ return from exile in Babylon. (Micah 1:1, 5-7; 4:10) But it also pointed to later developments, such as the Messiah’s birth in Bethlehem. (Micah 5:2) Micah prophesied that after their deliverance from "the Assyrian," "the remaining ones of Jacob" would become "like dew from Jehovah" and "like a maned young lion among droves of sheep." (Micah 5:6-8) TheWatchTower commented: "This may be taken as an indication that some of the remnant will be on earth even after Armageddon is fought and will then have some more work to do in the name of the Lord and to his praise and glory." Notice the modest, reasonable language used to introduce this possibility: "This maybetaken as an indication."
What of a Bible account that might parallel such survival on earth? One example that has been presented concerns Noah and his family. Noah has been viewed as typifying Jesus in this time of the end. (Genesis 6:8-10; Matthew 24:37) As Noah led his wife and their three sons and daughters-in-law through the end of that ancient system, Christ will provide leadership for the remnant of his bride class and those who become children of the "Eternal Father," Jesus. Noah’s wife survived the Flood and shared in the renewing of true worship on a cleansed earth. A parallel might be the survival into the new world of a remnant of the bride class.—Isaiah 9:6, 7; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Revelation 21:2, 9.
Other Biblical accounts have also been viewed as suggesting that some of the anointed might live into the new world. For example, Jeremiah survived the destruction of Jerusalem; "the man" with the secretary’s inkhorn remained to see the executional work before he went back to give his report.—Ezekiel 9:4, 8, 11.
Comments about the possibility that some of the anointed might survive into the new world are made with good intentions and in the light of Biblical precedents for trying to understand prophecies or patterns that could have later parallels. If it turns out that none of the anointed are left on earth, there will be no reason for dissatisfaction. We already have accepted that Biblical matters are understood better as time passes. For instance, TheWatchtower of July 15, 1981, discussed Micah 5:6-9 again and explained that "the remnant of spiritual Israelites have not had to wait until after . . . Har–Magedon in order to be as a ‘dew’ of refreshment to people." This discussion again offered the possibility that the remnant might survive God’s great war and for a while "continue to be as a refreshing ‘dew’ to the ‘great crowd’ of ‘other sheep.’" We can see, though, that the passing of time and the increase in spiritual light can broaden and alter our understanding of prophecy or of Bible dramas.—Proverbs 4:18.
We do know that the Bible links the ‘coming of the Son of man’ with ‘the gathering of the chosen ones from the four winds.’ (Matthew 24:29-31) Also, during "the presence of the Lord" in Kingdom power, anointed ones sleeping in death are raised to life in heaven. (1 Thessalonians 4:15, 16) These sealed ones are there to become part of the Lamb’s wife. When does that occur?
In the book of Revelation, immediately after John tells of God’s executing the religious harlot, Babylon the Great, he describes "the marriage of the Lamb." A filthy, immoral "woman" is removed from the scene, and we see "the bride, the Lamb’s wife" ‘arrayed in bright, clean, fine linen, which stands for the righteous acts of the holy ones.’ (Revelation 18:10; 19:2, 7, 8; 21:9) The destruction of Babylon the Great is part of the great tribulation. (Matthew 24:21; Revelation 7:14) So it could be reasoned that some of the bride class will survive the great tribulation as evidence of Jehovah’s approval and protection. (Zephaniah 2:3; compare Matthew 24:22.) If they are thus preserved on earth, they could remain here until God chooses to take them to heaven.
However, the presentation in Revelation is not in strict sequential order. And it is not as though the small remnant of anointed ones will be needed to get the new world underway, for they have already trained millions of loyal Christians who will live forever on earth. Accordingly, God could take his anointed ones to heaven immediately after the destruction of Babylon the Great, setting the stage for "the marriage of the Lamb" to occur. All the holy ones could thus share with Christ in ‘shepherding the nations with an iron rod’ in the remainder of the great tribulation. (Revelation 2:26, 27; 19:11-21) If that is how God handles things, all the 144,000 would be with Jesus to ‘rule as kings with the Christ for the entire one thousand years.’—Revelation 20:4.
It certainly is fine that God’s people are keenly interested in peering into how he will direct and reward his servants. (Compare 1 Peter 1:12.) This reflects their confidence that his will is going to be done. Though we cannot and should not be dogmatic about particulars, we can eagerly look forward to what will occur.
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Compare: YouMaySurviveArmageddonIntoGod’sNewWorld, pages 61, 292, 351; "YourWillBeDoneonEarth," page 347; TheWatchtower of May 1, 1942, page 133. (All published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.)
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Do the FDS use Spiritism to contact the '24 Elders' and the 144000?
by Gill inthe watchtower has always, in its publications, talks etc warned against contact with spirit creatures!.
jws are notoriously terrified of anything that might even remotely be to do with spiritism.. however, i find it totally bizarre that they can accept 'spirit guidance from the 24 elders' as an explanation to how the holy spirit guides the fds!.
i would, in simple terms call this a form of spiritism.
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Also if the WTS does not believe it is communicating with Angels then it shouldn't write things like " if one of the 24 elders, (an Angel) ,was used to convey that important truth." How else should a reader construe that statement.
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Do the FDS use Spiritism to contact the '24 Elders' and the 144000?
by Gill inthe watchtower has always, in its publications, talks etc warned against contact with spirit creatures!.
jws are notoriously terrified of anything that might even remotely be to do with spiritism.. however, i find it totally bizarre that they can accept 'spirit guidance from the 24 elders' as an explanation to how the holy spirit guides the fds!.
i would, in simple terms call this a form of spiritism.
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rechap.14p.77TheMagnificenceofJehovah’sCelestialThrone***the 24 elders portray Jesus’ anointed footstep followers in their heavenly position, for Jesus made a covenant with them to sit on thrones in his Kingdom. (Luke 22:28-30)
It is hard to write this because I am laughing. Who are the 24 elders, are they 24 individual angels or are they symbolic of a group of angels, namely the 144,000? The WT just said they "portray" the 144,000. So they are not 24 actual dudes who lived on earth and were resurrected.
Now read the 1-1-2007 wt, page 28 par 11:
"If one of the 24 elders was used to convey that important truth, he would have had to be resurrected to heaven by 1935 at the latest."
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Question: In light of the "new light" how will they now explain...???
by Lady Liberty inhello everyone, i have missed all of you... been away for a while and trying to catch up on the latest..which brings me to my question... there is much talk regarding the latest statement about the 24 elders guiding the organization from heaven right now as was apparently printed in the recent watchtower.
if they really begin emphasising this as some sort of damage control because of the growing amount claiming they are anointed, how will they be able to explain away their changing light on different subjects??.
right now when cornered regarding subjects that have changed, they simply say it is "new light", they have made mistakes, and that they never claim to be perfect, after all they too are only human...well, if the 24 elders have been actually running the show since 1914, then why the flip flopping of teachings??.
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The server on this site sucks, I just posted a reply and it got lost.
Now all I want to retype is this.
If the annointed all die before the end of the tribulation the WTS is screwed. They have commited themsleves most of the time to saying that the Tribulation will end on account of the annointed and the Christ will gather the annointed at the end of the Tribulation. If they are all dead then these things must have happened.
I don't understand why JWs want the number to drop. The last memorial I went to the speaker was reassuring the crowd that even though there was hardly any annointed left it was ok.
If I were a JW I would crap my pants if the annointed were almost all gone and everything in the world was still fine.
See wt 8-15-00 Question from readers for interesting comments on the annointed, Armageddon and the great tribulation.
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Bush on the Couch: Inside the Mind of the President by Dr. J. Frank
by frankiespeakin inwhile spending time at the whitehouse official web site and reading and listening to gw bush's interviews, i started to see signs of mental illness in the president, such as paranoia, denial, megolamania, and detactment from the suffering he is causeing thousands of innocent people.. so i did some google searchs to see if any reputable psychologist have written anything about the pres.
behaivor.
i came up with a good amount of material here is just a small sample:.
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I have no idea how intelligent Bush is. I don't know that I would call him stupid nor do I know what someone means when they use that term. He went to Yale, got better grades than Kerry so I heard. He wanted to become President and he did. He wanted to accomplish certain things as President and he did. Just because you disagree doesn't mean he is stupid.
The times are not changing. They are the same. People become disenchanted with their leaders and vote them out. Sadly the one thing that has remained constant is the partisanship in a two party system. I could never understand how a Nation of brilliant individuals could be adequately represented by only two lines of thought. It is so bad that if one side says yes the other side automatically says no. The personal attacks on leaders are just embarrassing. It is no different than schoolyard bullying.
In my state we elected an independant Senator and I hope that will lead to more individuals running on the issues rather than a party ticket.
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"Let the woman keep silent"
by belbab inlately on jwd there have been a number of posts regarding the state of woman in the jw organization.
one lady asks sisters for their thoughts and comments on male dominance over their lives.
i am not a sister but for quite a few years this subject has been on my mind, but i never spoke my thoughts, always waiting for someone else to come up with a clearer explanation of bible texts that seem to indicate that christian woman should keep their mouths shut.. where to start?
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Woodsman
Yet another example of how the Bible reflects the wisdom, thinking and customs of men at the time a particular book was written and not of an omnipotent God.
I believe women should be able to do whatever they want as should men. There are physiological differences but neither is inferior to the other.
Still if people start persecuting JWs there is no way in hell I'll let my wife go out in service and I will personally persecute any "brother" who encourages her to do so.
So if you are saying Paul said what he said about women due to the persecution ongoing at the time, then I would say I can agree with his sentiments.
However I think the New Testament canon does not treat women as equal to men and do not think this is due to wanting to protect them. See my first sentence.