Posts by Woodsman

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An Answer for Abaddon...

by Shining One in

you had a good question from a previous thread.... .

>oh, another question that the creationist or id-ot brigade have failed to answer is; if suplhur-breast-plated locusts are figurative (they must be as there is no evidence for them), how come the creation account and the flood account (which there is no evidence for) are regarded as literal?

if a person's faith is founded on jesus as the cornerstone and built on the same foundation as the apostles, this is consistent: .

Woodsman

Shining one:

What do you mean by old earth creationist? And what theory of evolution do you mean when you say "evolution".

I think that since all the animals in the world today could not fit on the ark anyone who claims to be a Christian must accept that life evolves if they also believe that the flood account is real. In fact they would have to believe that life evolves even faster that scientists do because the Flood would have occured not that long ago. Or else they would have to have some supernatural explanation that is their own interpretation and not in the Biblical account for how all these animals fit in that ship, the dimensions of which are in the Bible.

I don't think Creation, intelligent design or the various evolutionary theories constitute a polarized issue. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Not all naturalists exclude the supernatural and not all creationists exclude that life can evolve.

I don't think the Bible prohibits life evolving. If I understand right it states that God made life in its basic forms and then life reproduced according to its kind. This leaves open that life can evolve after being created. It is also extremely lacking in any details of how all this creating happened. I wouldn't get too dogmatic about the process. I don't think the account was meant to be a reference book in any way. Maybe even allegory.

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No increase in Quakes

by Woodsman in

q: why are we having so many earthquakes?

has earthquake activity been increasing?

does this mean a big one is going to hit?

Woodsman

The 2006 edition of the New World Translation puts it like this:

"and earthquakes ,causing 5 million or more in property damage due to greedy corporate shoddy construction standards, in one place after another.

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should we pray to jesus?

by Cordelia in

i'm meeting with my dad tomorrow (prob for the last time) and i have been asking him different questions and one he has tried to answer is about praying to jesus, (as i brought up that at acts 7 stephen clearly did) id like to tell you what hes printed out for me as he wants a response tomorrow,.

basiclly its all the same old :the scrips say jesus is the mediator we go to god through jesus (john-14:16, 1 tim-2:5,6).

in answering why stephen said 'lord jesus recieve my spirit' the wt says that god had caused stephen to see a heavenly vision (acts-7:54-59) he beheld the heavens open and saw jesus standing at gods right hand' so seeing jesus in vision stephen felt free to direct his request to him as the head of the cong, .

Woodsman

I don't speak Greek but even in the NWT footnote it admits the word means pray at Acts 7:59. The NWT translated it as "made appeal" because of their already existant doctrine against praying Christ at the time they produced the translation.Just like they changed worship to obeisance when it referred to Jesus but left it as worship elsewhere. So much being a consistant translation. I think it is consistantly deceptive and the reader should beware.

Also in verse 60 they inserted Jehovah when there is no manuscript in the world that has the tetragrammaton there. It should be Lord and since Stephen was still talking this would be the Lord Jesus.

This another example of trying to insert Jehovah into the NT when it shouldn't be.

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No increase in Quakes

by Woodsman in

q: why are we having so many earthquakes?

has earthquake activity been increasing?

does this mean a big one is going to hit?

Woodsman

When haven't earthquakes caused distress? That is why Jesus said these things were not the sign of his presence but things that Christians should not be misled by. Many will come saying the due time has approached, do not go after them.

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No increase in Quakes

by Woodsman in

q: why are we having so many earthquakes?

has earthquake activity been increasing?

does this mean a big one is going to hit?

Woodsman

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/faq/myths.html#8

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No increase in Quakes

by Woodsman in

q: why are we having so many earthquakes?

has earthquake activity been increasing?

does this mean a big one is going to hit?

Woodsman

Q: Why are we having so many earthquakes? Has earthquake activity been increasing? Does this mean a big one is going to hit? OR We haven't had any earthquakes in a long time; does this mean that the pressure is building up and there will be a big one?

A: Although it may seem that we are having more earthquakes, earthquakes of magnitude 7.0 or greater have remained fairly constant throughout this century and, according to our records, have actually seemed to decrease in recent years. A partial explanation may lie in the fact that in the last twenty years, we have definitely had an increase in the number of earthquakes we have been able to locate each year. This is because of the tremendous increase in the number of seismograph stations in the world and the many improvements in global communications. In 1931, there were about 350 stations operating in the world; today, there are more that 4,000 stations and the data now comes in rapidly from these stations by telex, computer and satellite. This increase in the number of stations and the more timely receipt of data has allowed us and other seismological centers to locate many small earthquakes which were undetected in earlier years, and we are able to locate earthquakes more rapidly. The NEIC now locates about 12,000 to 14,000 earthquakes each year or approximately 35 per day. Also, because of the improvements in communications and the increased interest in natural disasters, the public now learns about more earthquakes. According to long-term records (since about 1900), we expect about 18 major earthquakes (7.0 - 7.9) and one great earthquake (8.0 or above) in any given year. However, let's take a look at what has happened in the past 32 years, from 1969 through 2001, so far. Our records show that 1992, and 1995-1997 were the only years that we have reached or exceeded the long-term average number of major earthquakes since 1971. In 1970 and in 1971 we had 20 and 19 major earthquakes, respectively, but in other years the total was in many cases well below the 18 per year which we may expect based on the long-term average.

A temporal increase in earthquake activity does not mean that a large earthquake is about to happen. Similarly, quiescence, or the lack of seismicity, does not mean a large earthquake is going to happen.

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Jw answers to questions

by lime05 in

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friends

a few points oldsoul made on the forum a while back which jehovahs witnesses have no explanation for.

i asked a witness and he gave me these answers.

please leave any comments.

Woodsman

Well, first I think the questions are poor because of course the JWs have an explanation for each item. It is an explanation they provide but often does not stand up to further comparison with facts. Like Thinker said, who was the FDS between 1st century and Russell?

Many times I find the JWs have their own explanations for things that WTS has unsatisfactorily explaned. This is odd because it shows the WTS to be weak in that JWs mind. Also any explanation for Biblical text that is not issued from the FDS but from an individual JW's interpretation is technically apostacy. I know many JWs who for example think the FDS is wrong about resurrected ones not being able to marry.

1. Whoever is faithful and discreet and successfully accomplishes the things Jesus described in MT 25 verses 36-44 is a faithful and discreet slave. It seems to me many people can be one, in fact every Christian should be one. I see no text indicating it is an exclusive class that is closed to all but a few.

2. The "organizations" that I see mentioned in the Bible is Judaism and Christianity. One is a Nation of people, and some converts, who are in a covenent relationship with their God. The other is people from all Nations who are in a covenant relationship with God. Both claim to have and pray for spiritual direction from God. Are the JWs in a covenant relationship with God?

3. The scriptures say individual Christians are taught by God thru the spirit. If your JW friend says that Pr 4:18 proves that God uses only the FDS as his channel because it says the path of the righteous ones is like the light getting brighter, does that mean your JW friend is not righteous? If they are why aren't they God's channel too? If you can be righteous but not be God's channel then Pr 4:18 alone is not an adequate explanation.

4. The Bible says not of this fold, so if a fold is a source then then the Bible does say the other sheep are from a different source, as the Gentiles ,which is further explaned by many other scriptures. Are not the annointed on earth, of a teachable nature and have the hope of living forever?

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Anyone have scan of 95(?) Newsweek article re: generation change?

by ithinkisee in

my faded ex-jw aunt had no idea the generation thing changed.

i was gonna give her the wt articles and stuff but wanted to also give her a scan of the newsweek article.. .

ithinkisee

Woodsman

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Do you think this is for real

by skyman in

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friends

a few weeks ago a man that live near my house wrecked his car and was killed about 5:45 am.

the mans friend my partner in business was at my house at 6:00 the go hunting on my place.

after he went hunting he left to find what had happened to his friend because he had not shown up.

Woodsman

You need to change your elk's feed and stop breathing so much fresh air. Seriously it is what it is. The night before 911 I had a dream about being on a jet that crashed and in the morning I was impatiently changing channels feeling there should be some big news story whereas normally I would just leave ABC on while I got ready for work. It was errie afterward when I remembered that. So I don't knock anyone for having dreams.

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Are The Magazines Written By "Complete Idiots"?

by metatron in

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friends

yes, "complete idiots" - that's the phrase the latest awake ( jan 2006) uses on page 6, thusly:.

"however, man's vision of the future has often proved to be illusory.

for example, decades ago one expert said that by 1984, farmers.

Woodsman

I have always noticed how when the WTS criticizes others it convienently forgets its own record. The long standing attack on the clergy verses the laity is one example. For fun read those articles and substitute GB for clergy and Great Crowd for laity and they make perfect sense.