when dateline airs the pedophile segment....what will be the mindset of the jw who sees it?
will this cause any significant stir amongst them?
will this blow over as the voting issue did?.
Fred,
If the society advised the rank and file to go to the authorities when cases of child molestation surfaced, then there would be no need for Dateline to expose the watchtower on this issue. You might go to the police, but most loyal jws wouldn't. Then again, most loyal jws don't post here.
cb
part 1: trial of jfr et al .
references for the following: trial transcript, pages 64-71, sect.
190-213.. note: future installments will be much shorter.
Fred,
Where do you get your numbers? There were nowhere near 850,000 jws at that time. There weren't many sympathizers either. I don't think he had any cats either, although I don't know if that has been researched. You have a very strange sense of humor Fred, and I really don't think you are a JW.
cb
when dateline airs the pedophile segment....what will be the mindset of the jw who sees it?
will this cause any significant stir amongst them?
will this blow over as the voting issue did?.
Many will view it as persecution, and will discount the evidence. There will be some who will be shocked that this evil exists in their ranks, but still stay loyal, the old "where else can we go?" routine.
There will be some, probably relatively few, who will have known of some of these instances, and have been "waiting on Jehovah" to fix the problem. They may have thought that it was just an isolated incident, and will be horrified that it is so widespread, and the policies of the watchtower have allowed it to flourish. For those it may lead to life changing questions, and hopefully, answers.
The public image of the watchtower, on the other hand, will have changed forever. They will have lost their image as "such sincere people". They will get questions at the doors that they will be unable to answer. Even for Witnesses who never see the Dateline program, they will be confronted with these issues.
They will no longer be able to make the claim that they are so different from other religions. They are no better. At least other religions are owning up to it, and taking responsibility, at least in part. The watchtower won't even comment on it. What arrogant, ignorant fools. They think they are above it all. Nope. They are about to be taught a valuable lesson, and be publically humiliated.
Does "conduct unbecoming a Christian" sound familiar? This time the details will be available for all the world to see.
My greatest hope is that it will save some children from the same abuse. It may not solve the problem, but it is certainly a step in the right direction. But it is only the beginning.
cb
i was reading via kent's site some of the "to all boe" letters.
i noticed something in particular in the letter of february 27, 2001 about the formation of the christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses, a new legal entity.. that letter in part states:we thank you for your cooperation with these adjustments made by the governing body in fulfilling its assignment to care for all the master's belongings.
(matthew 24:45-47. i thought the "faithful slave" was entrusted with the master's belongings not the gb.
The "Remnant" never really has had much to do with it in any practical way. My grandmother was of the "anointed". I've known quite a number of that group. Not one of them was ever consulted about what was to be taught to the rank and file. Heck, my grandmother wasn't even in the Ministry school. Nope, never gave a single talk. There are supposedly 8000+ of them still alive right now. If that is true, then why would it be necessary to fill the ranks of the governing body with "other sheep"?
Surely, from 8000+ they would be able to find a few to fill any vacant positions. Can't believe I was ever so gullible!
cb
the society boasts about the billions of hours spent in the ministry worldwide.
but, when one asks how many of those hours were spent visiting one sick or needy sister?
the answer is zero.
Yes, something is very wrong with that. If anyone here has been in sales, they will remember the "call report". It's a way that businesses can check up on their sales people. It's the same thing. The watchtower is a business. There is nothing scriptural about it.
Just a way to keep track of the numbers, make sure the unpaid employees are doing their jobs, and increase the bottom line. Pretty ironic that it doesn't work. I know of lots of jws who faked the numbers to make themselves look better. It doesn't increase the bottom line either. Can anyone think of a more inefficient way to reach people than door to door in this century??
A far far cry from what Jesus had in mind.
cb
there has been some more progress on the united nations front and getting more evidence to you very nice people.. for your information i have located an ngo in toronto who houses a small library of quarterly reports that dpi sent to the various ngos.
this is my first time i have ever seen these and i will have them going back at least 10 plus years.
my previous ngo friends had offices in new york and thus, did not have these - nor was i aware i could get my hands on them.
Zev,
I sent you an email earlier this morning, and then realized you wouldn't recognize me. I think we're from the same area, and I'd like to talk to you. I gave my real name in the email, but I can't post it here, at least not yet.
Sorry to interrupt this thread. It will be interesting to see how they try to explain this one away. They're so clever at it. Only goes to show how devious and truly evil they are. They know exactly what they are doing, and honesty and truth have nothing to do with it.
cb
for most of you valentines is over.
it's just begining here now.
sigh!
Hi!
I got a dozen red roses from the president of the company I work for. The first long stem roses I have ever received! Tonight I have a date with a wonderful man. We dated many years ago when we were both jws, and very young. Now we're both out, and this is the first Valentine's day that I really have something to celebrate!
cb
if someone has already noted this, then i apologise, but i have just received the awake and i could not help but be amazed at the paragraph on page 9 .. they admit now that u s national earthquake centre report that large quakes "fairly constant throughout 20th century" furthermore they say.
" note though that the fulfillment of jesus words (matt.24.7)does not require an increase in the number or power of earthquakes....distress is measured not by number or how they rate on the richter scale, but by the effect they have upon people".
apparently it is all our fault for building in the wrong place.. is this not a u turn?.
Fred,
Could you define truth for me?
cb
I'll be there. Been to several thus far, always a great time. Wonderful people. Very healing. Always better than expected.
cb
ive seen posts here and there in the past months on this board that talk about ex-dub activism but i hate to admit this but most of the activities mentioned are rather ineffective in really doing anything but making us ex-dubs feel collectively better.. we have discussed protesting at conventions, making a protest walk, peeing on c.t.
russells grave, playing some games at local kingdom halls, and playing mind games with dubs online.
i really dont have anything against these forms of activism but i dont think they accomplish much.. what i therefore dare suggest and beg for your comments are new ideas of how we can redirect our anger more effectively and support actions and causes that sting the borg like hell and also help others out the door.. i have nothing but praise for the actions of people who take a stand like silent lambs, or others who have setup informative ex-dub websites and i think one good thing we could do is support these efforts by doing some fund raising.. i also would love to stick something right up the ass of the gb but im trying to think of just how to do it.
My first post here.
The most effective ad ever for the 800-Why-1914 help-line was:
"What is the real reason that so many Jehovah's Witnesses are leaving the Watchtower? Confidential, call 800-Why-1914"
cb
