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The Watchtower & the cigarette company

by expatbrit in

i: some relevant quotes from watchtower publications

1: the position of the watchtower as regards smoking

*** jv 181 13 recognized by our conduct ***.

coffee_black

Pork Chop,

You guys are really desperate aren't you? This is complete nonsense.

Is that the best defense you can come up with? Go ahead...stick your head in the sand if you want to. It doesn't change the facts.

Coffee

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The Watchtower & the cigarette company

by expatbrit in

i: some relevant quotes from watchtower publications

1: the position of the watchtower as regards smoking

*** jv 181 13 recognized by our conduct ***.

coffee_black

Welcome Faithonthemarch.

I read that book many years ago.

Coffee

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The Watchtower & the cigarette company

by expatbrit in

i: some relevant quotes from watchtower publications

1: the position of the watchtower as regards smoking

*** jv 181 13 recognized by our conduct ***.

Have you been paying attention? How much evidence do you need? "Jehovah's clean organization" can do better than being in bed with the very ones they condemn. This is hardly the first scandal of this nature. It's just another issue in the long line of policies and actions that provethem to be nothing more than a greedy corporation. What would Jesus say to them, do you suppose? Your attitude says volumes about jw logic. In case you missed them, here are a few of the recent scandals the society has been involved with, along with their excuses.

NGO issue...."Oh, we needed to use the UN library."

Pedophile issue..."Oh, that's just apostates lying, and trying to make us look bad."

Rand Corp. issue..."OH, someone just left us some stock."

Cigarette issue..."Oh, it's just a trust."

Most jws have no idea about these scandals. If they do get wind of such, there are the above excuses used to deflect further questions. The above will satisfy most jws because they want to believe the society. After all there's a lot at stake. However, for any thinking individual, those excuses raise serious questions. I might ask you, Pork Chop...Is that the best the society can come up with? The other alternative would be for the society to do the right thing, tell the truth, and take responsibility for their actions. I don't think anyone on this board is holding their breath, waiting for that to happen. By the way, money from "unclean sources" can be refused. Then again, the society turn down money?? I'd buy tickets to see that!

coffee

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If you could pick any job

by freedom96 in

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friends

if you could pick any job, what would you do?

would you continue in your line of work?.

i would pick actor.

coffee_black

No, I don't work for Starbucks...sorry...You made me laugh though...

coffee

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If you could pick any job

by freedom96 in

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friends

if you could pick any job, what would you do?

would you continue in your line of work?.

i would pick actor.

coffee_black

I already have the perfect job. It's fun, interesting, and I don't punch a time clock. The people I work with are great, but I don't see them every day...just at monthly company meetings, and if I need something. The company is listed as one of the top companies in the U.S. to work for by Fortune Magazine. World class product, service etc. and they treat their employees very well. After many years of struggling, I am very happy doing what I do.

coffee

78

House Name Required.

by Englishman in

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friends

i want to give my house a name.

lot's of my neighbours have already done this, so we have a plethora of name boards springing up in my road.

(actually, i susupect it's a sort of snobbery so that people will know that it's not just another old house full of flats and bedsits but a privately owned whole house).

coffee_black

X-JDub Pub

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House Name Required.

by Englishman in

jw
friends

i want to give my house a name.

lot's of my neighbours have already done this, so we have a plethora of name boards springing up in my road.

(actually, i susupect it's a sort of snobbery so that people will know that it's not just another old house full of flats and bedsits but a privately owned whole house).

coffee_black

Watchtower Haven

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Judge: Elders NOT required to report abuse

by Nathan Natas in

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/main.asp?sectionid=25&subsectionid=377&articleid=83009

judge: elders not required to report abuse .

saturday, june 21, 2003. by andrew wolfe telegraph staff, [email protected].

coffee_black

Has anyone considered the possibility that the Judge in this case could have been bribed? I wouldn't put it past the wt to try. I wouldn't put it past a judge to accept... wouldn't be the first.

cb

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WTBS' Financial Empire...the tip of the iceberg!

by MacHislopp in

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watchtower bible & t

coffee_black

Actually, my point is that a religious organization is not a necessary element to having a relationship with God. The money and the power the organization has serves only to corrupt it. I don't believe that Jesus came to set up another organization. I don't think it's about having all the right answers, or "accurate knowledge" No one has all the answers. You will never impress God by how much you know....or think you know. Jesus's teachings were very simple, and the laws He spoke of are "written on the heart" not enforced by a group of men who consider themselves to be spiritual policemen. The relationship He talked about is one on one with God, through Him...no middleman need apply. Any time His followers tried to make themselves important, he said things like "Let the least among you be the greatest".

When you shift the focus from finding the "only true religion" to finding a relationship with God, you can finally focus on what really matters. It isn't complicated, doesn't require countless hours of study and reported hours, and magazine placements. It isn't stressful, and doesn't make you feel woefully inadequate.

And it's free.

Coffee

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OMG, was I a Free Mason?

by Winston Smith :>D in

lunch break, and i think im going to be sick.

there are old watchtowers at our kh with the cross and crown symbol.

it was always rationalized to me as a symbol from christendom that finally got rooted out.

coffee_black

There's really nothing 100% conclusive, but there are a lot of clues.

JWs used to meet in masonic temples in the early 1900s. I have pictures of my family in front of such buildings, with captions that read "masonic temple, NY, meeting place for the IBSA. (the early name of the JWs) There is also a picture of a building that is in "Pastor Russell's Sermons" under which it reads: "The New York Temple, built for the use of Pastor Russell when he in the metropolis". If that is a masonic temple, and it was built for Russell's use, then I think that would be strong evidence that he was a mason...or why else would they build it for his use? The building is on 63rd street, I believe, and it is also pictured in the proclaimers book. (not with the above caption though.)

I know that masonic temples are sometimes rented out for other purposes, but would the jws rent a church or other building of what they consider to be"false religion"?

Russell also believed and wrote about Pyramidology, which is written about by some prominent Freemasons, such as Charles Piazzi Smythe.

I don't know if you can connect all the dots, but it's intriguing.

Coffee

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