how can people like defd be here and see all the blatant lies by the society and still accept it?.
607 bc and 1914 are based on complete falsehood, and are only borrowed from the adventists and millerites.
the trinity brochure took almost all of their sources out of context.
When it came right down to it, this was the issue that caused me to leave.
My dedication was to Jehovah...not an organization of men. My loyalty was to God...not men... So when it became clear that what the watchtower said was different from what the Bible said... the choice was obvious. When it became clear that the fds was demanding loyalty that belongs only to God...the choice was clear.
I have never regretted leaving the organization for one single second.
Coffee
consider this - job, blameless and upright actually celebrated birthdays with his family.. according to the new world translation job 1:4,5 says this - .
4 and his sons went and held a banquet at the house of each one on his own day; and they sent and invited their three sisters to eat and drink with them.
5 and it would occur that when the banquet days had gone round the circuit, job would send and sanctify them; and he got up early in the morning and offered up burnt sacrifices according to the number of all of them; for, said job, maybe my sons have sinned and have cursed god in their heart.
The watchtower only recognizes research that seems to support their teachings. That narrows the scope of their research dramatically. They don't persue any line of reasoning that disagrees with their beliefs. That is called intelectual dishonesty.
Schism...it is not surprising that women's birthdays were not celebrated in ancient Isreal...or other culture for that matter during that era. Women were not valued. They were considered property. So, the fact that women's birthday celebrations were not mentioned in Job doesn't call into question that men's birthdays were.
Coffee
consider this - job, blameless and upright actually celebrated birthdays with his family.. according to the new world translation job 1:4,5 says this - .
4 and his sons went and held a banquet at the house of each one on his own day; and they sent and invited their three sisters to eat and drink with them.
5 and it would occur that when the banquet days had gone round the circuit, job would send and sanctify them; and he got up early in the morning and offered up burnt sacrifices according to the number of all of them; for, said job, maybe my sons have sinned and have cursed god in their heart.
LOL, confusedjw... You can have your coffee any way you like.... I drink mine black, no sugar....
Coffee
consider this - job, blameless and upright actually celebrated birthdays with his family.. according to the new world translation job 1:4,5 says this - .
4 and his sons went and held a banquet at the house of each one on his own day; and they sent and invited their three sisters to eat and drink with them.
5 and it would occur that when the banquet days had gone round the circuit, job would send and sanctify them; and he got up early in the morning and offered up burnt sacrifices according to the number of all of them; for, said job, maybe my sons have sinned and have cursed god in their heart.
Also... if celebrating birthdays is such a terrible sin, why is it not addressed in the Mosaic law? Birthdays were celebrated in other cultures that we know about in that time period. The Mosaic law covered every detail of life at that time. If it was an issue, then it would have been mentioned.... which brings up another principal..."Where there is now law, there is no sin."
Coffee
the watchtower says that jesus came to inspect all the churches in 1918/19 and then chose the bible students to be his chosen ones.. what i want to know is, where does the bible say that jesus was going to do any inspection at all?
let alone a special inspection in the year 1918!.
this "inspection", upon which the watchtower obtains all of its authority, sounds like something added to the bible!
It's the old addage: Keep repeating it often enough, and it will become fact. Most jws don't take the time to look up the references... if the society says it then it must be true.
Coffee
Yep.... at 15, while in High School, I wrote a letter to the society that was published in 1968 under "Letters from Readers". I don't remember what issue... I don't have my bound volumes any more. I still have the text though....
It started " Dear Brothers, I just wanted to write to tell you how happy I am to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I am so grateful to my parents for teaching me about the truth. I am 15 years old and I attend high school. Sometimes it doesn't seem easy to maintain integrity at my age, because it is natural to want to be accepted by others. But I am so satisfied when I see the contrast between this system of things and Jehovah's Witnesses. And it makes me feel glad that I have stayed away from the bad influences of this system of things."
It went on and on...but I'll puke if I type more of it. I had written it without really intending to send it. I showed it to my parents though, and they were so proud that they called a friend at headquarters who suggested that I send it in... letters like that were rare, he said, and it would probably be published. He was right.
Boy have I changed! I'd like to go back in time and slap myself! Wish I knew then what I know now.
Coffee
just wondering if anyone ever did put down more hours/placements etc on their report than they actually did.. i know that i did.
the reason was that i was pioneering and working full time.
it just got too much and i ended up adding hours.
Yes.... I was "vacation" pioneering" (I know the term dates me) on Martha's Vineyard. There was no one to work with most of the time.... I was positive that Jehovah was going to zap me good for it. No one ever found out...or even cared, now that I think about it.....
Coffee of the coming clean after all these years class
just checked out channelc.org, and it looks like it will close.. posted by ccadmin on thu - jul 21 - 6:40pm: .
.. dear all: .
i've thought about this a lot today, while i was away at work.
HI Pole,
It's "Biblical Research & Commentaries International" I'm not sure how the name was arrived at. I became involved in the early 90s...and it had been around for about a decade at that time. BRCI runs the WHY-1914 Help line, which is there to give support to anyone effected by the watchtower. It's someone to talk to that understands. I manned the help line myself for extended periods when Marilyn needed help. It was always the rule that we should never get doctrinal or push our own views on anyone... just give support and understanding at a critical time. Even here, where few know my identity, I don't get into debate about doctrine. Some enjoy that kind of thing... I don't
Coffee
just checked out channelc.org, and it looks like it will close.. posted by ccadmin on thu - jul 21 - 6:40pm: .
.. dear all: .
i've thought about this a lot today, while i was away at work.
I agree with you Pole.
Coffee
just checked out channelc.org, and it looks like it will close.. posted by ccadmin on thu - jul 21 - 6:40pm: .
.. dear all: .
i've thought about this a lot today, while i was away at work.
Hi Gary,
Although several of the board members of BRCI posted on Channel C, it was not run or controlled by BRCI. I'm a board member of BRCI, but I never posted on Channel C....never even visited the site... They are separate entities...
Coffee
