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  My JW Experiences and Living in No Mans Land

  by wizzstick in

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  lots of proper pioneering (90 hours), lots of calls, lots of studies, lots of interest.

  enough to make it all interesting.

  driving this buzz was the sense that armageddon was imminent.. my father was never a jw, and was very opposed.

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  wizzstick

  Thanks all for your comments.

  I imagine I'll still be here in months and years to come. My wifes health is poorly, and the new world hope keeps her going. But that wont't stop me from researching what the Truth really is.
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  My Story - a (kinda) newbie from the UK

  by wizzstick in

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  after lurking for 7 and half years (is that a record?!

  ) its time for me to say hello.. so who am i, and whats my story?.

  im a born in jw, with all my siblings, mother, wife and children in.

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  wizzstick

  Thanks again all for your replies. It's really helped me on this journey.

  Wizzstick how is your family dealing with your inactivity? Just to compare notes Mine is running the full Monthy show. Just one relative keeps contact with me, visits me and calls to know how I feel (not talking me back - me thinks he is "probing" his way out).

  The only plus of my wifes poor health is that I'm very much on the back seat Truth wise. Miss lots of ministry, lots of meetings. When we are there I'm needed to help her and the kids so I'm not attending and I'm off the school. So have it very easy compared to many others who go through this crisis whilst 'flying high' in the Truth.

  I did talk to my wife once, but she became tearful. The new world hope keeps her going. So I can't talk about it anymore. That's ok. As above my life in the Truth is easier than most.

  I answered your question in a private pm.

  Thank-you, I have replied.

  Let us know how the fading process goes. I notice that we all have things in common, but it is a different experience for every person. Some can cope and some, unfortunately become completely broken, like my good friend oompa.

  As with the above family situation, I think I'll be ok for now. I've already sort of faded alot due to the health stuff.

  Thanks again for the kind words.
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  Reasoning with friends

  by wizzstick in

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  following my first two posts i'd like again to say thank-you for the welcome i've received.

  it's taken along time to feel that i could post.

  i'd tried before, but the guilt of associating with those that god disapproved of was too much.

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  wizzstick

  Following my first two posts I'd like again to say thank-you for the welcome I've received. It's taken along time to feel that I could post. I'd tried before, but the guilt of associating with those that God disapproved of was too much. I guess I must be moving on.

  I've mentioned that I'm trying to explain my doubts/questions to my closest friends. All quite left wing types (have watched many an 18 or R-rated movie with me when we were single, much interested in topical affairs etc.).

  I used the wondeful JW Facts site simply to collect quotes from WT literature. Put each one on a Powerpoint slide and in chronological order. That seems to have had quite an impact. But I want to to try and explain how I've always doubted the elaborate way we build a spiritual collage from different bit of the Bible.

  I came across http://jwsrefined.com/2012/12/16/1914-a-marked-year-in-the-bible/ and liked how the writer lists all the below points from different WT publications into a (crazy) picture:

  • The Son of man’s rule in Daniel 2:44 and 7:14 began in 1914, but the son of man’s coming and enthronement in Matthew 24: 30 and 25:31 are in the future.

  • Jesus sat on a throne (as king) in 1914, but will sit on another throne (as judge) at the great tribulation.

  • Jesus arrived in 1919 to appoint a faithful and discreet slave but will arrive again in the future as king.

  • Jesus began ruling in 1914, but the millennial (1000 years) reign of Christ does not begin until after the great tribulation.

  • The separation of the wheat and the weeds began in 1919, but the separation of the sheep and the goats happens during the great tribulation.

  • Jesus became the ruler of kingdom of the world (Rev 6) in 1914, but Satan is still the ruler of the world (1 John 5:13).

  • Jesus was given all authority in heaven and earth after his resurrection (Matt 28:19, 20), but received even more authority in 1914 and will get more again at Armageddon.

  • Jesus came as the messenger of Malachi 3:1 in 1919 to judge all of Christendom, but does not sit on a throne ‘of judgement’ (Matt 25:30-31) until the great tribulation.

  • Babylon the Great was judged and fell in 1919, but false religion is yet to be destroyed.

  • The Anglo-American world power received a ‘death-stroke’ in World War 2, but the stone carved with human hands from the mountain is yet to strike the feet made of iron and clay (Daniel 4).

  • The ‘gentile times’ ended in 1914, but human gentile governments and rulers still exercise complete power over all the earth’s affairs to this day.

  • The resurrection of most of the dead anointed occurred in 1919, but the marriage of the Lamb occurs at Armageddon.

  • The bridegroom returned in 1914, and the doors to the marriage feast were closed after throwing out the foolish virgins, but many more thousands of Jehovah’s Witnesses have received an anointing since then.

  • The master of the household went away in 33AD, then he returned to appoint the FDS in 1919, and then he “arrives” at the great tribulation to appoint the faithful slave over “all his belongings”.

  • The Kingdom was established in 1914 but the “sheep” do not “inherit the kingdom prepared for them from the founding of the world” (Matt 25) until after Armageddon.

  I'm spending a lot of time reading non-JW stuff so wanted to check that the above was an accurate picture of current JW beliefs. If I pop those on a powerpoint, what could a JW argue back on? Are there any errors? Looks right to me, but I think there are some points that could be argued back (like the second point on thrones - isn't that the same throne but looked at in differengt ways?). Could any elders or ex-elders pull the above apart for me or suggest ways to improve it?

  Appreciate your help. I have a few close friends that I'd like to have on this journey with me.
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  Why do JWs stay despite doubts & discoveries about JW Beliefs?

  by ProfCNJ in

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  if we are going to create a pie chart with the following categories, what could be the main components-reasons and their respective percentages for just staying in the organization in spite of the doubts, discoveries about the jw doctrines/beliefs?

  i doubt if the topmost reason is because of love of jehovah god and his son jesus christ.

  your inputs dear friends and fellow brothers will be most appreciated.. a. below 40 years old.

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  wizzstick

  I've had a few conversations with friends about my doubts. All intelligent guys. And all of them went quiet and said, where else do we go? So they're all deeply tied to an organisation.

  It's hard to get round that. At the moment I agree and say, I've got no where else to go but I've still got these questions. That seems to placate them.
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  CO Disfellowshipped in UK

  by konceptual99 in

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  so, i have it on very good authority that a co has recently been disfellowshipped in the uk.

  he has just finished serving the north west london area.

  i don't know any details but perhaps there is someone who does know what happened.

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  wizzstick

  I was told the name in passing but didn't know the person in question so forgot it.

  It was, how can I say this, an African sounding name. South London circuit I think.
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  ex-jw-uk

  by bigmac in

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  i'm quite new to this site, & have realised some members have a union jack symbol under their avatar.

  i don't.. could we have a "show of hands" from any uk members?

  i've already found several by reading older posts..

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  wizzstick

  Formerly in Essex, now in London.

  Still in, but doubting and fading in tandem.
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  My Story - a (kinda) newbie from the UK

  by wizzstick in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after lurking for 7 and half years (is that a record?!

  ) its time for me to say hello.. so who am i, and whats my story?.

  im a born in jw, with all my siblings, mother, wife and children in.

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  wizzstick

  BluePill2,

  Sent you a PM.
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  My Story - a (kinda) newbie from the UK

  by wizzstick in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after lurking for 7 and half years (is that a record?!

  ) its time for me to say hello.. so who am i, and whats my story?.

  im a born in jw, with all my siblings, mother, wife and children in.

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  wizzstick

  BluePill2,

  Family all in, wife not well so I use it that as an excuse to do nothing. Not even the mics, taken myself of the school as well.

  I liken it to sitting on the back benches, there but not, if that makes sense.
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  My JW Experiences and Living in No Mans Land

  by wizzstick in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  lots of proper pioneering (90 hours), lots of calls, lots of studies, lots of interest.

  enough to make it all interesting.

  driving this buzz was the sense that armageddon was imminent.. my father was never a jw, and was very opposed.

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  wizzstick

  jgnat,

  Last night. I have two friends who I've talked to about this. Both fleshly brothers actually. One I think can half see where I am, the other is a newly appointed elder so is 'filled with the spirit' (or is on a high and is in a very positive place).

  What I've started to do is cut and paste various WT quotes into a blank Powerpoint. That way one of these brothers allowed me to share it with him as a) it wasn't a bad apostate website, and b) it was all from the WT.

  I'd just done a PPT on 1925. Something I'd always dismissed as not important but was actually as important as 1914 and 1975. He was shaking his head with it all and saying "What?". So it works well.

  He's been Googlechatting with me all day, very much trying to find defensive positions for the GB. I just keep hammering the point, like the Moses one above, that there is nothing comparable in the huge history of the Bible.

  Do you see what I mean by no mans land. I can see the crap but I can see pluses too.
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  My JW Experiences and Living in No Mans Land

  by wizzstick in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  lots of proper pioneering (90 hours), lots of calls, lots of studies, lots of interest.

  enough to make it all interesting.

  driving this buzz was the sense that armageddon was imminent.. my father was never a jw, and was very opposed.

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  happytobefree,

  What do you see them preaching?

  When I've explained about the Kingdom preaching work on the ministry I've always seen that as a overaching phrase that covers the setting up of God's kingdom on earth (Daniel 2:44/Matt 6:10) which is accomplished by Jesus (thus covering the gospel of Jesus bit) as King of God's Kingdom.

  It makes sense to me. God Kingdom on earth sorts outs mankinds issues.

  As I say, that's where I am right now. That may change as I learn more.