so i've been sharing some a little at a time with my sister.
she is married and very scared of actually learning too much.
she doesn't want to ruin her marriage.
Am I right in thinking that JW's get the 2,520 years in two ways?
A) As above, 7 (years) x 360 (days) equals 2,520 (then day for a year)
B) 3.5 times of 1,260 days doubled to 7 times of 2,520 days (then day for a year)
Or is one way the old way of working it out and the other the new way?
i've been lurking here for a year or two now (since i stumbled across ttatt and was stumbled by it), i even started an account some while back and asked a couple of questions.. but i never actually stood up and said hi... so hi, my name's jon and i'm a dubaholic.. .
i was "born in" in the 80s - and grew up on a liquid diet of cheap suits and revelation book pictures (i mean really, group after group just staring at the pictures while not listening, i must have spent more time staring at those pictures than i have any work of art in my life, literally hours at each lurid picture).
i "left" in my teens, but apparently lacking any kind of actual sense, returned to studying with a childhood friend from the congregation in my twenties (although i was never baptised, my entire small family were dubs, so i saw more witnesses than "worldly people" on a regular basis.. they love bombed my arse for years!)..
Welcome from London, UK.
hi everyone, my name is mellow (some names have been changed) lol.
as no doubt many of you were, i was born in.
i am now in my mid 20s living in a jehovah's witness household.
Welcome from London!
so i've been sharing some a little at a time with my sister.
she is married and very scared of actually learning too much.
she doesn't want to ruin her marriage.
So, it all hinges on the fact that to a JW or other fundamentalist, the bible cant be wrong. If Cyrus started ruling in 536 then the end must have happened exactly 70 years later...
Worth baring in mind that JW's are inconsistent with the whole, if the Bible says 70 years then it must be a literal 70 years.
Check out Tyre:
i struggled with this question before i got baptised.
what helped you to overcome any doubts?.
Let me see here...
Selective use of quotations in reply.
Using a yellow underliner.
and mentioning someone that no R&F Witness would have a scoobie about...
I thought Rulf Furuli research debunked Carl Jonnson's theories completely, but some have a hard time accepting that for some reason. Another day I'll touch on that.
Ladies and gentleman - Scholar returns!
With that - I leave this thread and any future SFPW threads too. (To think I wasted my 100th reply on Scholar - gah!)
i'm quite new to this site, & have realised some members have a union jack symbol under their avatar.
i don't.. could we have a "show of hands" from any uk members?
i've already found several by reading older posts..
There is a Meet Up group that some in the UK might want to check out:
http://www.meetup.com/ex-jehovahswitness-uk/
They have two Xmas dinners coming up:
Saturday, December 7, 2013
12:00 PM
Portsmouth
Saturday, December 14, 2013
7:00 PM to 10:00 PM
Vauxhall, London
Well worth joining up to meet up. It really helps to meet up and discuss experiences with other Ex-JW's and fading JW's.
i posted the comment below on another thread on elders stepping down.
although i left the jw's years ago, i still hold a fascination for the evolution of the religion and am curious on what future trends and developments may occur.
so i thought i would start a thread on what future changes you think will occur in the organisation as the years go by, either doctrinally or organisationally:.
My prediction?
They will dump 1914 at some point. And they'll replace it with a new eschatology.
But to keep the masses happy, they'll place birthdays into a conscience area.
i struggled with this question before i got baptised.
what helped you to overcome any doubts?.
There are couple of problems with your reasoning as far as I can see:
Jehovah has always used some form of organization and mediatorship to fulfill His purposes upon the Earth as it relates to spiritual direction. Examples that you probably think of immediately are Moses, Joshua, David, and Samuel, amongst other faithful servants found within the Hebrew Scriptures. In later times he used a governing body of faithful and experienced Christians to resolve disputes and provide spiritual direction.- Acts 15:22-31. That said,why wouldn't Jehovah do the same today?
But does god always have an organisation to use? In, for example, the 14th Century, what was God's organisation on earth?
There is no organization other than Jehovah's Witnesses under the direction of it's Governing Body, that is, spreading the good news of the Kingdom (Matt 24:14)
For Jehovah's Witnesses, the good news of the kingdom means preaching that Jesus Christ began ruling as King in 1914, and that we are now living in the Last Days. Then after Armegeddon, there will be a Great Crowd of survivors here on earth.
Why do Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus started reigning as King in 1914? They beleive that 1914 marked the end of the Gentile Times that ran for 2,520 years from 537BCE to 1914CE. And that 537BCE comes from a 70 year period from 607BCE to 537BCE.
But 607BCE, when Witnesses believe that Jerusalem fell is wrong. Totally. The evidence is overwhelming. It is wrong.
With regards the Great Crowd they go to heaven. There are before (enopion - in sight of) God's throne, in Naos, the divine habitatiion (heaven).
So you see, the Witnesses message of the good news of te kingdom is utterly flawed. So you have to ask youself whhen has God ever sent his people out to preach falsehoods in his name?
that text reminds me of one of a handful of problems peculiar to the ex-jw community.
second only to the wild beast's internal divisions, is the divided makeup of the ex-jw populace.
you know the one thing that indicates jehovah's blessing upon the worldwide association of kingdom proclaimers, is not only the continued success of the preaching work, but along with it the unity and love amongst the brothers and sisters.
for a conglomerate of folks that get off on accusing the WT of flip-flopping, the ex-JW community isnt exactly consistent ya know!
The one (massive) difference is that this community doesn't claim to be a under the direction of God's spirit.
To be fair, maybe it's me. Maybe I've been a JW so long that I cant imagine being part of any movement without unity and love amongst ourselves. How do you folks do it?
Yeah, it's hard. Painful, to begin with.
But as time goes on you realise how much easier life becomes. Less stressful. More enjoyable.
Examine JWFacts closely. Check the quotations.
I did. And slowly, but surely, realised that the Truth is not the Truth.
i would like your help in making a "timeline of beliefs" for jw's... for example, i want to start with:.
"a jw/bs would have believed the following in 1880:.
the last days started in 1799.. jesus's parousia occurred in 1874.. jesus started reigning in 1878.. the end of the harvest will be in 1914.. the end of the gentile times will be in 1914.. the end of the world will be in 1914.. belief in the ransom sacrifice is vital for salvation.. hell is not a bible doctrine.. .
I think most of the informattion you need to research is on:
http://dciscorp.com/qwotes/admin-site-map.htm#beliefs
Read through those and you should have all the dates you need - plus how they flex and change over time.
