i have gone through the ones on here, i have read so much about it and everyone seems to have a different idea as to what the creed actually came up with in the sense of explaining it, religious leaders from most denominations seem to try to explain it and are all different, it does your head in just trying to read half their stuff.
when i was going door to door, i knew how to argue against it, but now trying to learn about it.. i was reading an article of the net about this and how christ emptied himself of all deity and that, but with all the statements made and arguments to and for it, one question was brought up.
when jesus was asked by his disciples about the time of the end, jesus replied neither i nor the angels know the hour, only the father.
Mozzie - buy/borrow these two books:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misquoting_Jesus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus,_Interrupted
Once you realise how many problems there are with the NT text, worrying about the Trinity is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
A total waste of time.
atheist delusion.
just want to know what the ex jw community thinks about this video and also offer my pov.
the video was actually an advertisement on here.
Ray Comfort is another money making 'Christian'.
Look on his You Tube channel and you'll see this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciPXWTnONBQ
Note there are loads of coins in the bag. And in the description box a link to his store:
http://store.livingwaters.com/gospel-tracts/ten-commandments-coin.html
$8 a coin!
Scammer.
arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....
Here's my final gift to you. This is what lies ahead.
Why do you people still trot this out? Your 'Saviour' died almost 2,000 years. Some of you won't taste death until I return, he said. And they all did.
If it doesn't happen, the joke's on me
After almost 2 millennia, the joke is on more than just you.
arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....
Wizzstick, why do you get so agitated?
I wasn't - I was laughing when I typed.
Is that not what you believe? So what are you going to teach your child? Be kind to your cousins, the apes and monkeys.
I teach my kids to be kind to animals. Not just our 'cousins'.
A childish response to a childish theory, I know. But even if you put in highfiluted, technical language, it still come out as stupid. Let's not give children a bad name. I think most of them are far too intelligent to stomach such ludicrous notions. Fortunately, today they have a choice. They will not be railroaded into believing such gibberish.
What, I should teach them that they should believe in a creator that creates life like this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitoid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism_(zoology)#Intrauterine_cannibalism
http://www.elasmo-research.org/education/topics/lh_intrauterine_cannibalism.htm
No I won't teach them that a creator designed life to behave like that. It's gibberish. Evolution makes much more sense.
arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....
Daddy, where do I come from? Originally from a one-celled organism, later a tadpole, then a monkey. All of these are your ancestors. You are on top of the food chain. Make sure you stay there. Be what you want, do what you want, just don't get caught. Yes, I can see that working. Good luck with that.
What a childish attitude.
This is precisely why evolution deniers are mocked.
very strange behavior by the attendants and elders after the duluth, ga, rc.
on the first link the attendants start to exit the arena, then line up and turn their backs on the street preachers.
(around the 6:00 mark).. elders and attendants after duluth rc.
One bat shit crazy up against a group of bat shit crazies.
Both sides look pathetic.
"My sky fairy is the real one. We bear witness to the one true sky fairy!"
as some of you know i'm not a religious person at all after leaving the jw's but there was a link on another site i was on and the link was to a pastor's vid.
(about exposing jw's as false prophets etc)being that i'm not at all interested in hearing a sermon, i was going to just leave the site and continue researching some other stuff but then curiosity made me wonder if he truly knew anything about jw's or was just going to be another religious leader downing jw's in an effort to make his version of the "gospel" sound more appealing.i have to admit i was pleasantly surprised at the extent of his knowledge of scripture that jw's like to use as well as the history behind the organization.
many of the points he brought out we've covered here before and he arranged them in an easy to understand and follow sequence.i'd be interested in hearing what some of you think on the job he did on exposing the jw's(wt)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3o56jwgbjk.
9 minutes in and I gave up.
Nothing new and it's the usual religious BS.
35-year-old female in california here.
never a jw, but have had bible studies and attended several meetings and even a convention once.
i've always been agnostic with leanings toward the belief in some deity or other, although the more i learned from the jw's, the more i've learned to doubt, not just their teachings, but the fundamental teachings of all religions.
I never said I believed in the Illuminati.
the Illuminati HAS been proven to exist.
Personally, I don't know what to believe.
I know you won't like me saying this but I feel so sorry for you. It feels like you're trapped in some kind of no man's land.
Just keep reading stuff that challenge your beliefs. Christopher Hitchens makes compelling arguments.
i'm reading an excellent book about defectors from the mormon church called differing visions: dissenters in mormon history.
through a collection of essays from many academic authors it looks at the life stories of dissenters and reasons for departure, as well as analysing the impact of their dissent on the church itself.
fascinating stuff and makes me wish there was a similar volume looking at the key dissenters from jws/watchtower and the impact they had.
Re Lloyd Evans
I know Lloyd's approach isn't to everyone's cup of tea...but...I know of 2 JW's who have woken up due to JW Survey and his videos. So horses for courses and all that.
Re Paul Grundy
I'd argue that in recent times, post Ray Franz and Carl O. Jonsson, Paul is the most influential ex-JW dissenter. JW Facts is probably the most important single resource on the internet for research. He should be on any list.
all us creationists try to do is offer true evidence that the one and only god is out there watching and looking down on us.
we present that certain scientists know the truth about god and that he is everything that we see from trees, life, weather, the air we breath, and even the most simple molecules.
but of course you atheists reject it because it is your nature to not be humble and see god because you want to rule your own life.
You're making yourself suffer when you do that.
I'm not you know. Being an atheist is the happiest I've ever been.
