notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
A Believer - what are you struggling with?
This is very, very simple.
The great crowd of Rev 7:15 are in naos, which is in heaven.
They are not on earth.
Is English a second language to you? None of your replies seem to connect to what Sanchy and I am saying to you...
notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
This isn't the same great crowd as in revelation 19.
You seem to be fixated on this point.
I'm speaking about where they are. Not which great crowd is which.
The great crowd of Rev 7:15 are in naos.
notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
If you are interested you can read my PowerPoint where I pasted my answers which I found from the WT.
Questions are at the top of the slides, and answers copy and pasted below:
The Great Crowd - where are they?
It's bare boned and has no whizzy stuff, and was only meant to store my research, but you're more than welcome to take a gander.
You may find the slides 33 and 34 interesting as it shows where Naos was on Herod's temple.
Naos was the place that only the high priest could enter - even Jesus on Earth couldn't enter naos...
notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
Still...who are survivors of great tribulation from every nation? Not angels. Can you answer me that?
They are in naos. That's what the Bible says:
15 That is why they are before the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple (na·oi); and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them.
Here are some other examples of the use of naos:
Rev 11:19
And the temple sanctuary (naos) of God that is in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen in his temple sanctuary (nao). And there occurred lightnings and voices and thunders and an earthquake and a great hail.
Rev 11:19
And the temple sanctuary (naos) of God that is in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen in his temple sanctuary (nao). And there occurred lightnings and voices and thunders and an earthquake and a great hail.
Rev 14:17
17 And still another angel emerged from the temple sanctuary (naou) that is in heaven, and he also had a sharp sickle.
Rev 16:17
And the seventh one poured out his bowl upon the air. At this a loud voice issued out of the sanctuary (naou) from the throne, saying: “It has come to pass!”
Rev 21:22
And I did not see a temple (naon) in it, for Jehovah God the Almighty is its temple (naos) , also the Lamb [is]
How can they be in the same place as Jehovah and be on Earth at the same time?
Or will God be living on Earth in the future?
notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
Can't you read the Bible?
It explicitly states they are in the Temple. The divine habitation. It's heaven!
Scroll down the WT's own Kingdom Interlinear: Revelation 7 Kingdom Interlinear
notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
Of course, Jehovah's Witnesses have always recognized that the term "great crowd" is used uniquely at Revelation 7:9 in that there that particular "great crowd" describes the group of humans who survive the "great tribulation" to live forever on earth.
Wrong.
The Great Crowd are in heaven. At least, according to the Bible...
hi orphancrow.
thought you might be interested in the following, brief, court case summary.
high court family division - 18 november 2016an nhs foundation hospital v mr and mrs t. http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/ewhc/fam/2016/2980.html.
They are understandably unable to consent to what is being proposed but they do not oppose it and leave the decision to the Court.
What? That's bizzare.
If doing what is right by God's standards was really in T's best interests then not only would they be unable to consent but they would also oppose it.
It's great T will get what he needs - but the above highlights the wackiness of JW logic.
We do not consent!
But we shall not oppose either...
This is what God wants us to do. Oh yes.
i proably shouldnt be on here but i feel like saying this.
i have been for the last couple weeks been studying religion.
i've learned the only ones who today do what the bible says to is jw.
Then they would be 105 today...how many 105 years old do you know?Wizzstick I said if they were 3 in 1914...
i proably shouldnt be on here but i feel like saying this.
i have been for the last couple weeks been studying religion.
i've learned the only ones who today do what the bible says to is jw.
the light in this scripture means information.
Really? How do you know that?
Apart from someone telling you that's what it means?
What evidence do you have?
i proably shouldnt be on here but i feel like saying this.
i have been for the last couple weeks been studying religion.
i've learned the only ones who today do what the bible says to is jw.
Can't you remember events from 3-4 years old? If thier were some that age in 1914 they would remember it and be 103 today. Google the oldest people living today and you will many older than that. And more that don't have thier birth date on the internet for all to see.
No! It seems basic maths is beyond you! If you were born in 1914 you'd be 102 now. And as your memories start to form when your 3-4 years old you won't remember from when you are 2.
And remember what? The doctrine that JW's taught said that generation would comprehend what was happenning. How could a 2 year old comprehend?
You really have no idea what they taught - do you?
Plus you're missing the key point.
A generation doesn't last a 102 years! It lasts about 30 years. It's the gap between when someone is born and when they have children themsleves.
It was always, even decades ago, a nonsense interpretation of scripture.
And one that contradicts what the Bible says.
