Posts by wizzstick

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Invites, Parking and the DC - a true laughable story

by wizzstick in

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i'm in a major uk city, and we're assigned to an out of city location for our district convention.. to set the scene this site is off a busy motorway (freeway).

it's a football (soccer) stadium.

there is nothing around aside from one petrol (gas) station which also has a tiny supermarket in it.

wizzstick

Good call, but no. I've heard about that. The new stadium isn't exactly as popular with the brothers as the old venue in the Convention Centre!

The stadium is the same situation parking wise isn't it?

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Invites, Parking and the DC - a true laughable story

by wizzstick in

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i'm in a major uk city, and we're assigned to an out of city location for our district convention.. to set the scene this site is off a busy motorway (freeway).

it's a football (soccer) stadium.

there is nothing around aside from one petrol (gas) station which also has a tiny supermarket in it.

wizzstick

I'm in a major UK city, and we're assigned to an out of city location for our District Convention.

To set the scene this site is off a busy motorway (freeway). It's a football (soccer) stadium. There is nothing around aside from one petrol (gas) station which also has a tiny supermarket in it. Other than that, there's nothing. No houses, no commercial units, just farming fields. All the roads have parking restrictions on leading off the motorway and around the stadium. There is no parking other than at the stadium. Everyone either drives or goes on a coach. Nearest train station is miles and miles away.

So we've been asked to order our car parking tickets for the DC. It's one per family. Last week at the mid-week meeting I did just that. Here is the conversation...

Me: I need to order my car park ticket for my family.

ANold Elder: Fine, I'll put you on the list.

Me: So...

ANold Elder: So...what?

Me: What happens if you don't have a ticket?

ANold Elder: Haha, well you don't get in! Remember there's no parking anywhere else. That's why we're reminding all the brothers to order them!

Me: So...what about all the invites to the DC we're handing out to everyone on the door to door work. If people did respond, where would they park? I mean if there's no car park places, where would they go? *laughing* It's like saying "Please come to our district convention... err...but don't really ".

ANold Elder: .....er......*looks at paperwork*

Me: Oh dear...

ANold Elder: ...hmmmm.....*walks away*

Seriously, thousands of Witnesses engaged in a literally useless work. You can argue about doctrines, but this really, really is a waste of everyones time.

Once you start understanding how this group works then it really does open your eyes to the pointless crap going on around you.

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Gerrit Loesch was at our DC today!

by goatshapeddemon in

so, unexpectedly, the final talk was announced today and to my surprise and evil glee, they announced gerrit loesch as the speaker!

first off, at the beginning of his talk, he interrupted himself in the middle of his sentence to scold the microphone brother to lower my mike it's right in my face.. anyway, it was the talk on inspired truth, vs. inspired falsehoods.

he went through 6 expressions inspired by the demons.

wizzstick

3) college education tends to encourage people to rely on and try to "save" this system, making the end seem further away than it is. Really?

Good grief!

How can they think that having a college education encourages people to try to "save" this system. How can you save something that will get destroyed by God (allegedly).

Their thinking is crazy!

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United Nations General Assembly Report on Objection to Military Service by Jehovah's Witnesses and others | June 3, 2013

by jwleaks in

jw leaks has published the june 3, 2013, united nations general assembly analytical report on conscientious objection to military service.. page 3, paragraph 4, of the report states:.

"the following non-governmental organizations responded: the associazione comunita papa giovanni xxiii, the centre for civil and political rights, the european bureau for conscientious objection, the european organisation of military associations, forum 18 news service, the german institute for human rights, human rights watch, the international fellowship of reconciliation, jehovahs witnesses, the quaker united nations office, the russian ngo soldiers mothers of st. petersburg, the union of conscientious objectors, and war resisters international.".

this 17 page report deals substantially with jehovah's witnesses.. .

wizzstick

I'm looking here:

http://www.unodc.org/ngo/list.jsp

here:

http://esango.un.org/civilsociety/displayDPISearch.do?method=search&sessionCheck=false

and here:

http://www.ngo.org/links/list.htm

And can't see them.

Can anyone think what they might be listed under?

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Warwick project... I had no clue it was this big!!!

by sosoconfused in

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http://www.townofwarwick.org/wt_con/_appendix%20j.pdf.

of course i was aware that the new headquarters would be there but according to the above plans it is immense!.

253 acres???

wizzstick

snare&racket - you have a PM.

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CO Disfellowshipped in UK

by konceptual99 in

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so, i have it on very good authority that a co has recently been disfellowshipped in the uk.

he has just finished serving the north west london area.

i don't know any details but perhaps there is someone who does know what happened.

wizzstick

There was an stand in CO in London called Andrew Meredith who was DF'd for an affair. About 3 years ago I think.

Pity - lovely guy, and he and his wife looked very happy.

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CO Disfellowshipped in UK

by konceptual99 in

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so, i have it on very good authority that a co has recently been disfellowshipped in the uk.

he has just finished serving the north west london area.

i don't know any details but perhaps there is someone who does know what happened.

wizzstick

To be honest no.

I think he may have been a recent addition.

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Arguments in favor of the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 BCE

by TJ Curioso in

i received the following explanation in favor of the date of 607 bce.

accepted comments on the points at issue.. .

conclusion.

wizzstick

That's a particularly stoopid site. When I read it through last year I straight away noticed this:

Tyre forgotten for 70 years.
Period begins after the destruction of Jerusalem (Ezekiel 26:1), which is 607 BCE. Period ends precisely 70 years later when Tyre's profit becomes holy to Jehovah (Isaiah 23:14), in 537 BCE (Ezra 3:1) when Tyre provides materials for the new temple.

Which made me laugh as they cheerfully contradict their F&DS on it!!

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/pc/r1/lp-e/1200275991/23/0

Doh!

As AnnOMaly said earlier:

You 'received'? Somebody sent you this? This is only a c&p from http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/607/conclusion.html
You'll find the rebuttals laid out on Jeffro's site: http://jeffro77.wordpress.com/response-to-607-website/#ChapterC

The rebuttals on Jeffro's site do indeed answer every point.

It's really simple. If they accept 539BCE then they have to accept 586BCE. It's the same block of evidence!

I'm suprised they've not used the Tyre idea in the link above and applied it to Jerusalem. Could have their cake and eat it!

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Other Sheep question

by wizzstick in

coming off from my thread on the great crowd, (once again thanks td, annomaly and all the others for their help), a question on the other sheep in the 33ce - 1935 ce for the great jwn mind hive.. the qfr in the w86 8/1 p31 ends up with confirming about the other sheep pre-33ce:.

someone might reason: jesus was pointing to a future gathering of other sheep, hence the term applies only to those who, after jesus spoke, would accept the biblical hope of everlasting life on earth.

however, it seems unnecessary to confine the term thusly, as if jesus were defining matters chronologically or sequentially.

wizzstick

Thanks Fernando, Bobcat, Sapphy, slimboyfat, AnnOMaly and bats is the belfry.

I just astounded by this.

I mean the answer is obvious, isn't it? One of the writing committee could knock out an explanation like this in 5 minutes:

"However those who were not of the annointed in later Roman times, like around 300CE when Diocletion butchered more Christians that there are those of the annointed, were of the Other Sheep. Example of what Diocletian's persecution below:

"Diocletian assumed the crown A.D. 284. At first he seemed friendly to the Christians, but in the year 303 he gave in to persuasion and opened the tenth persecution, probably the most ferocious of all. Suffocation by smoke, forcible drinking of melted lead, mass drownings and burnings, breaking on the rack of men and women alike ran the empire with blood. In a single month 17,000 were slain. In the province of Egypt alone, 144,000 such professed Christians died by violence in the course of this persecution, in addition to another 700,000 who died as a result of fatigues encountered in banishment or under enforced public works." Watchtower 1951 September 1 p.518

So these, like pre-Christian witnesses, would receive an earthly resurrection."

Voila. That took two minutes.

Surely someone, somewhere has asked them this? I guess this shows that they just don't give a crap about anyone between the Apostle John's death and Russell (plus the other 19th century gang).

Incredible. You know what, I actually might write to the London Bethel and ask what the official line on this is! I'm really curious to their reply!