Posts by wizzstick

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Did the flood happen?

by BlackWolf in

so we were talking about noah for our family worship tonight and it ended with a little debate between me and my parents about how the flood was possible.

you know, where did the water come from, how did all the animals fit, etc.

of course it led nowhere and my parents came up with some strange theories like that there was "an expanse of water in the sky" and that's where all the water came from.

wizzstick

If anything, the fall of the alleged upper water would have generated a lot of heat. think re-entry

Er - it depends how this water was 'miraculously' held up there. Plus the waters covered the surface of the earth for best part of a year. How long would they have held their 're-entry heat'?

And what about the waters that came from below? How much of the water covering the mountains came from the water canopy and how much came from under the earth?

Genesis 7:11 In the 600th year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the 17th day of the month, on that day all the springs of the vast watery deep burst open and the floodgates of the heavens were opened

(As I type this I wonder how I ever managed to stop thinking for so long.)

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

wizzstick

Yeah.

Add logic and reason and stop believing in sky fairies.

You need to do much more reading of outside sources.

But will you?

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Did the flood happen?

by BlackWolf in

so we were talking about noah for our family worship tonight and it ended with a little debate between me and my parents about how the flood was possible.

you know, where did the water come from, how did all the animals fit, etc.

of course it led nowhere and my parents came up with some strange theories like that there was "an expanse of water in the sky" and that's where all the water came from.

wizzstick

This link might be very useful to you:

Letters to and From the Watchtower Society Concerning Noah's Flood

They show how a (now former) JW outlines the scientific issues about the flood and shows the WT responses.

Also this link: The Vapor Canopy Hypothesis Holds No Water might be useful.

Classic questions to ask:

How did animals that only live in one part of the earth, like kangaroos, get to Turkey? Even more importantly, given the 'new' oceans the flood created, how did they get back to Australia?
If the ark was above the tops of mountains then they were above Everest. And you'd need warm clothes as it is so cold and an air tank to breathe. How did Noah, likely dressed for a middle eastern climate and his family and the animals survive in those conditions? How come their water didn't freeze?
If there was a water canopy then the temperature around the earth would have been warmer. How could you have the polar regions in that warmer environment? Ice core samples go back long before 2,370 BC (when the WT claims the flood happened).

And so on and so on.

I think the WT are pretty much the last large group to believe in the water canopy idea.

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Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

by cofty in

arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

wizzstick

I started this as a bit of amusing satire about irrational creationists.

Tish and pish you did.

You knew this would bring out the crazy theists.

And boy have we got a doozy here.

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Debating With Evolution Deniers is Just Like This

by cofty in

arguing with those who reject scientific evidence can be like arguing about football; just as angry and passionate, but the goalposts keep moving, and one team doesn't exist.. read more here....

wizzstick

Okay DJS, I've had it up to here with you and your disrespectful attitude. It's gotten to a point where I want to plug my ears to your posts. I guess I have to spell everything out to you. Just like God is real, Satan is real also and has deceived the minds of people just like you. The atheists are doing exactly what Satan wants them to do, and that is not to believe that he is real nor that God is real. They say that we are trying to force our beliefs on them.
Atheists such as yourself say “I wouldn’t serve a God who allows so much suffering in the world.” However, God tells us in his word that there is going to be suffering and that there is going to be devastation. He never promised that everything was going to be perfect. They ask if God is real, then why does he not do something to help the poor, the hungry, the sick, Well God did. He created you and me, so there's your proof.

Medical team to psych ward.

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The Atheist Delusion

by looter in

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atheist delusion.

just want to know what the ex jw community thinks about this video and also offer my pov.

the video was actually an advertisement on here.

wizzstick

I think you believe in him but just like other atheists, you don't want to respect him or obey him so you say he doesn't exists because of lack of evidence which isn't true.

Yeah I know. Depressing isn't it?

It's like when people laugh at me when I talk about Petel - the Pink Pixie that lives at the end of my garden. Petel created the earth, moon and stars. And the Sun. And do they believe me? No.

But Petel's day of vengeance on lazy mankind is coming. She will save me and my family and any who believe in her.

Then we'll see who has the last laugh.

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David Splane on the "older members" of the GB

by Richard_I in

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in the august broadcast, david splane is shown in a morning worship video.

i just wanted to focus on the end of the video, were he has this to say:.

the governing body loves to get together and discuss the bible.

wizzstick

The clarification on one scripture can have ramifications on other prophecies, so we have to be absolutely sure that everything fits.

Woah there.

Surely new light comes from Jehovah?

Surely any new light from Jehovah wouldn't have 'ramifications on other prophecies'?

Surely new light from Jehovah would 'fit' with 'everything'?

Right?

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UK 2016 Sheffield Convention

by darkspilver in

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this is actually, cinematographically, a pretty good video, certainly better then most of them anyway!.

1 to 3 july 2016 at sheffield arena, uk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1ra2ji909w.

wizzstick

This is actually, cinematographically, a pretty good video

Seriously - go watch some decent cinema. That, actually, was pretty awful cinematographically.

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Craziest meeting in last 10 years let's compare

by Chook in

hi guys ,i'm new here 27 in 1 year out.. ive escaped 2 judicially by changing congs in rapid escape .i will tell my last dodged bullet.i swear these word as gospel honest.6 years ago in oz i'm in cong only about a year and tensions were running high due to a crazy old european bro ex elder who took no shit from the 10 apostles.i like him i don't know if it was the rebel in me or underdog syndrome but good guy 74years old he was.we just had this big sense the razor were getting sharpened.we arrive at thursday's night meeting my wife was at home so another big boring night i thought,was i wrong.the body has every mongrel breed.the three main characters were the italian dutch german,service committee.we start with song prayer ,the dutchy get up and says we are making adjustments to meeting tonight the arrogant bastard says only bible reading tonight then there agender.dutchy says.what is most amazing is these 10 idiots agreed to this changing of meeting program.

(these words are true)"we have a korah influence in cong and the 10 apostles have established an open judicial committee,the elders said there was evil in our mist .so to root out the evil if anyone has heard a bro say anything against any elders recently the are to report to the three stooges.well dutchy dims light and play the old prehistoric korah movie to the cong ,the bloody creation movie by russell was higher quality.

30 mins later german takes to the stage for the circus to begin.he repeats the dutch mantra ,well the publishers were looking at each other like it was north korea ,could have heard a pin drop,we are all thinking to ourselves we are all guilty of bitchin about the bastards .before meeting had finished halfway thru movie i rang my mate to tell him about "the burning "as the meeting became affectionately known.get home tell wife she don't believe me,within 2 days she believed.it was the talk of area.i had never rang bethel previously because i believed it was heaven and it didn't need my voice.next morning ring service desk in sydney and all i said i was concerned what took place at meeting last night .

wizzstick

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Another trinity thing

by Mozzie in

i have gone through the ones on here, i have read so much about it and everyone seems to have a different idea as to what the creed actually came up with in the sense of explaining it, religious leaders from most denominations seem to try to explain it and are all different, it does your head in just trying to read half their stuff.

when i was going door to door, i knew how to argue against it, but now trying to learn about it.. i was reading an article of the net about this and how christ emptied himself of all deity and that, but with all the statements made and arguments to and for it, one question was brought up.

when jesus was asked by his disciples about the time of the end, jesus replied neither i nor the angels know the hour, only the father.

wizzstick

Mozzie - buy/borrow these two books:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misquoting_Jesus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus,_Interrupted

Once you realise how many problems there are with the NT text, worrying about the Trinity is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

A total waste of time.