Posts by M*A*S*H

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Home made blood card wording (extra blood please, gimme all of the blood)

yo bitches.. being a good submissive little jdub i lodged a copy of my blood card with my eldubs.

it's in their safe as we speak.

i want to counteract that document without altering the eldubs to this fact.. my doctor has agreed to put a note on the medical system (uk) saying that i've changed my mind on the blood issue, no matter what any legal-paper-waving death merchant wt representatives may sputter at my death bed.

MAS*H

Bump.

Just shifting this thread above my one on the topic.

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Potential Life and Death Issue for Faders?

by M*A*S*H in

please excuse if this topic is duplicated elsewhere.

however i had not thought of the issue highlighted in the article from the point of those potentially fading before.. https://www.the-newshub.com/general/life-or-death-for-former-jehovahs-witnesses.

so what happens when a medical emergency arises?in the event you face a medical emergency in which you are incapacitated, jw elders and family show up to produce legal documents that will allow them to take over your medical care including withholding blood to cause your death.

MAS*H

@disposable hero of hypocrisy

Glad you already brought this up. I had never considered fading as potentially life threatening... now I think it should be mentioned to any and all posters talking about fading.

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Awake #4/2016: Homosexuality

by Designer Stubble in

the new awake is up on jw.orgwith the legalization of gay marriage in many countries, they decided it was time to show: "what does thebible say about homosexuality?

"does the bible promote prejudice?still, some people would say that the bible promotes prejudice against homosexuals and that those who adhere to itsmoral code are intolerant.

‘the bible was written at a time when people were narrow-minded,’ they claim.

MAS*H

@LoveUniHateExams

I agree Western govs are failing in many countries, this does not of course mean they are not trying. The FCO do not limit their work to countries signed to one HR law. You asked for some evidence so I thought I would post the link.

I would hope that everyone agrees some acts of homophobia are worse than others. However, some might disagree on how damaging a religion producing homophobic literature can be, especially when some allow such homophobic views to be excused as petty.

As for the disproportionate 'outrage'. I do not think that racism is a good explanation for this.

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Awake #4/2016: Homosexuality

by Designer Stubble in

the new awake is up on jw.orgwith the legalization of gay marriage in many countries, they decided it was time to show: "what does thebible say about homosexuality?

"does the bible promote prejudice?still, some people would say that the bible promotes prejudice against homosexuals and that those who adhere to itsmoral code are intolerant.

‘the bible was written at a time when people were narrow-minded,’ they claim.

MAS*H

All attitudes, beliefs and actions are on a spectrum.

Homophobia is the noun that describes the range (or spectrum if you like) of acts that are homophobic. Any one act is or is not homophobic. I know you do not like to argue semantics, but again to me considering your assertion you do not to offer excuses for people, you seem to be on that slippery slope again.

I think it is quite sad that you think I am a pedant because I want to ensure that people label the WBTS as homophobic without offering excuses. For many people the details matter, clearly not for you.

You are mistaken

I sometimes forget how much more of an authority you are on the thoughts and views of the members of the WBTS than I. Anyway, I am pretty sure they prophesy the love of the greater number will wear off.

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Where did Jehovah go ?

by Deleteandrestart in

for the many years i was mentally " in " the congregation, i equated the organisation as interchangeable with the persona of jehovah, in effect whatever the organisation said or thought, that was what jehovah thought and that was what jehovah said.... it was that simple.

so when i found out the ttatt and the cynical moves of the organisation over the years,including 1975 , the donation arrangements, the united nations, etc i was devastated and thought " where's jehovah in all of this?".

the god who i'd poured my heart out to on many occasions and who i thought was silently listening and hearing my pleas ..... was not there , .

MAS*H

I can heartily recommend, if possible, going back to school\college\uni.

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Awake #4/2016: Homosexuality

by Designer Stubble in

the new awake is up on jw.orgwith the legalization of gay marriage in many countries, they decided it was time to show: "what does thebible say about homosexuality?

"does the bible promote prejudice?still, some people would say that the bible promotes prejudice against homosexuals and that those who adhere to itsmoral code are intolerant.

‘the bible was written at a time when people were narrow-minded,’ they claim.

MAS*H

@Cofty. I would not say you have answered the question clearly at all... for example

By that definition no the Watchtower are not homophobic. Other dictionaries define the word in ways that would encompass the position of the cult. [Cofty]

My point is that characterising the Watchtower as hateful and homophobic seems a bit heavy in comparison. [Cofty]

You even made up a spectrum of homophobia (that does not exist). I think I showed that even the definition of homophobia you used (from ADL) applies to the WBTS because they in some forms 'fear' homosexuals. Again you seem reluctant?

There is no reasonable way to interpret the bible other than a total unequivocal condemnation of gay sex as a sin.

There is no reasonable way to explain the overlapping generations, but that is current theology. It would only take a similar amount of mental gymnastics to reinterpret the bible to better fit today's society.

This page shows some interesting views on the topic from a Christian source. As time moves on and a more liberal generation fills the ranks I am sure views will soften and eventually acceptance will increase. Public condemnation of their homophobic views will play a part in this.

You assume that if the 'new light' came out tomorrow 'accepting homosexuals' they would lose most of their membership. Firstly, I thought that when they redefined the generation in 95... didn't happen. Second of all, a great many members I suspect would just hail the change as further evidence of a loving God that is communicating through the FDS.

Sadly I think the older JWs will have to die out before change can happen. However until then I personally believe continued condemnation of their homophobic views should be called out - as I am sure many JW's find this a worst embarrassing and at best a reason to question their behaviours.

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Awake #4/2016: Homosexuality

by Designer Stubble in

the new awake is up on jw.orgwith the legalization of gay marriage in many countries, they decided it was time to show: "what does thebible say about homosexuality?

"does the bible promote prejudice?still, some people would say that the bible promotes prejudice against homosexuals and that those who adhere to itsmoral code are intolerant.

‘the bible was written at a time when people were narrow-minded,’ they claim.

MAS*H

@Cofty.

Firstly you know full well I have read many of your posts, I made this clear in a previous comment on this thread.
Secondly...

I have never made any excuses for the WT on their attitude to homosexuality or any other topic. [Cofty]

My point is that characterising the Watchtower as hateful and homophobic seems a bit heavy in comparison. [Cofty]

Thirdly I have already answered your question.

I expect them to change their interpretation of the bible.

They could consider the verses in Matthew 19 v 10-12 as I also mentioned earlier in the topic.
So if we are not making excuses anymore... is the WBTS homophobic Cofty or does that seem a bit heavy?

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Potential Life and Death Issue for Faders?

by M*A*S*H in

please excuse if this topic is duplicated elsewhere.

however i had not thought of the issue highlighted in the article from the point of those potentially fading before.. https://www.the-newshub.com/general/life-or-death-for-former-jehovahs-witnesses.

so what happens when a medical emergency arises?in the event you face a medical emergency in which you are incapacitated, jw elders and family show up to produce legal documents that will allow them to take over your medical care including withholding blood to cause your death.

MAS*H

Please excuse if this topic is duplicated elsewhere. However I had not thought of the issue highlighted in the article from the point of those potentially fading before.

https://www.the-newshub.com/general/life-or-death-for-former-jehovahs-witnesses

So what happens when a medical emergency arises?
In the event you face a medical emergency in which you are incapacitated, JW elders and family show up to produce legal documents that will allow them to take over your medical care including withholding blood to cause your death. To further complicate matters, often when former members leave they often hold to this perpetrated fraud promotion thinking that blood is some form of inferior treatment that should be avoided when medical treatment calls for it. So they do nothing about their legally filed paperwork with the JWs. As a result, they give a cult the keys to their medical care and provide them with the rights to legal murder.

Has anybody heard of the JW elders potentially enforcing non blood treatment for someone fading in this potentially scary scenario?

The article has a link to a 'durable power of attorney' form which presumably can override the JWs medical form. I have no clue to the legality of it, but presumably it would be better than nothing!?

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Awake #4/2016: Homosexuality

by Designer Stubble in

the new awake is up on jw.orgwith the legalization of gay marriage in many countries, they decided it was time to show: "what does thebible say about homosexuality?

"does the bible promote prejudice?still, some people would say that the bible promotes prejudice against homosexuals and that those who adhere to itsmoral code are intolerant.

‘the bible was written at a time when people were narrow-minded,’ they claim.

MAS*H

please show evidence that western governments have brought political pressure on governments run by homophobic extremists to be less homophobic.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/35442/human-rights-lgbt.pdf

On a different line of debate, I am still a little unsure why some view the amount of debate on a homophobic video as racism? I have posted on JWN regarding this video multiple times but I have not commented on this forum (as far as I remember) regarding the ISIS murder of homosexuals. It seems that some view this as racism?

I am just wondering at what point comment, opinion and outrage over this video becomes racism of some kind. If I post one comment on the video and non on the ISIS murders does that make me a racist? If I post 100 comments and non on the ISIS murders am I a racist?

@Cofty. As you quite commendably said 'I refuse to make excuses for any human being based on their race or culture' would you agree that the WBTS' video and literature demonstrates the organisation is homophobic? Perhaps you only actively make excuses for human beings based on their 'religion'?

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Our thoughts on the latest JW Broadcast for the month of May

by Christian Gutierrez in

howdy guys!

this is our latest video on the jw broadcast in short form.

we talk about jw marriage challenges.

MAS*H

@Doubtfully Yours

If Armageddon happened tomorrow and you were judged, would you make it through? Surely a couple of things you might 'fail' on would be mixing with apostates on this forum and using 'ungodly' language (amongst your other admitted JW failings). If you care about JWs so much, why not attempt being one?