Just another Bible Student enthusiastic view for 2017. I believe you people had a Bible Student run you through that about a month or so ago, “Lars” maybe that him come back for seconds. However, he should not use deception to promote his view, stick to your own kind, Horatio. Onward Jewish Nation, Prophecy of 1947-8 can be completed by the denial of the Iranian Nuclear deal, but that won’t force God’s judgement Day, sorry.
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United Nations Global Peace And Security Announcement September 2015 / Attack On Christians
by Timothex inthe united nations will shortly announce global peace and security.
this will result in the attack on the true religion [ jehovah's witnesses ] lead by pope francis and intern will bring armageddon / paradise.
please brothers and sisters share this information with everyone!
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Some Bethelites are Jackasses
by Old Goat inrachael de vienne is one of the authors of separate identity, a history of the watch tower's earliest years.
she's received low grade harassment from the watchtower for years.
she posted about it on her personal blog.
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By the time Russell met him, Barbour was no longer an Adventist. (Russell says this.) He had moved into Age-to-Come theology. This is British Literalism. He adopted Mark Allan’s doctrine and told a newspaper reporter that his congregation in Rochester was affiliated with Allan’s Church of the Blessed Hope.
Exactly, you have just confirmed what ignorant people having been disputing for over 15 years here.
Giving history lessons is my profession. You’ve just had one. I should add that you criticize Penton and Schulz and de Vienne for selling books. Original research is expensive and time consuming. The Bible principal is “to the worker belong his wages.” I’ve written a few textbooks over the years some still in use. (I’m nearly 90) And I can tell you that return on work is often small. If you don’t want to pay for a book, don’t buy it. But it is not a sin to buy and sell, even intellectual work.
I sorry to read this, a historian. Wow! The research on the account of Barbour is not entirely ORIGINAL since he wrote many pamphlets and information in other books. So to suggest that research is expensive for reading books, Come On! Not even you buy in to that, unless you’re suggesting these people spoke to Barbour. Aside from that, Barbour was a lost Prophet but to the Advent Movement NOT the Bible Students as suggested once again from questionable sources.
Your entire argument rests on misstated ‘facts’ and misleading statements. You’re spelling, grammar and thought are confused. You want to elevate Russell at Barbour’s expense. You’ve chosen the wrong tack. Barbour was vain, self-entitled and a thief. The difference between them when they separated was personal behavior with a mix of doctrinal difference.
I’m glad you corrected yourself. I wouldn’t be able to find a different aspect to low life. Find a different way of giving history lessons for WTS stuff, you’re just embarrassing yourself. Don’t worry you have impressed people here from all the time you have invested here. Is it worth money by deception, Hm!!!!!!!!
There are about 7-8 books that would refute the claim you and your friend suggest. However to believe that person was being harassed by the WTS obviously doesn’t know the meaning of the word. You will never impress me as a historian although it would have been nice since you seem to be more open minded than others, but if you’re going to promote someone, know the REAL TRUE. My responses are not researched like yours, I don’t have time to use proper grammar, sorry.
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Some Bethelites are Jackasses
by Old Goat inrachael de vienne is one of the authors of separate identity, a history of the watch tower's earliest years.
she's received low grade harassment from the watchtower for years.
she posted about it on her personal blog.
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OLD GOAT: What I meant about embarrassing yourself with this rewrite of Doug Mason nonsense remember your quotes a year ago.
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There were many who had no connection to Miller that believed the end was near. Literalist belief extends back to German, Dutch and English expositors from the 17th Century. Belief in the near advent of Christ was not unique to Miller. It was the characteristic belief of most in Christendom both before and after Miller. Millerite Adventists were in the minority among belevers in the near close of the age. If you really had read Russell's Studies in the Scriptures you would have seen that he never read anything Miller wrote. (He says so, and it's obvious from content.) Russell was an Age to Come Literalist. He spent the years from 1870-1876 associating with them and believed their distinctive doctrine. Literialist doctrine is not Adventism.
That you associate all end of age belief with Miller suggests that your research is very shallow. By 1876 Barbour was no longer an Adventist. He left that belief for Mark Allen's Blessed Hope theology. Russell, Barbour and their associates did not expect end-times events to be what Millerite Adventists expected. They owed their expectations to a trail of expositors that took them back to the German Piscator, and the Baptist Whiston and others none of whose theology is remotely similar to Millerite Adventism." OLD GOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Some Bethelites are Jackasses
by Old Goat inrachael de vienne is one of the authors of separate identity, a history of the watch tower's earliest years.
she's received low grade harassment from the watchtower for years.
she posted about it on her personal blog.
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If you disagree with Penton or with the content of Schulz and de Vienne's books, support your opinion with some facts. Start with reading the books. Something you so obviously have not done. old goat
Funny how people assume. In order to show facts from baseless ideology assuming you have personal proof of your assertions, without having to rely on people that for all intent and purposes is just to make money on lies, can be easily achieved by looking elsewhere.
I believe I mentioned “The forgotten prophet” which is the theme book your referencing, Isn’t that correct? Schulz and deVienne: Nelson Barbour: The Millennium's Forgotten Prophet, 2009. Unless you are referring to another.
The false and misleading impression with Barbour after 1844.
1. Adventists in the Geneseo area met in Springwater to await the second coming in 1843. Their disappointment was profound, and Barbour suffered a crisis of faith. Later, he would write: “We held together until the autumn of 1844. Then, as if a raft floating in deep water should suddenly disappear from under its living burden, so our platform went from under us, and we made for shore in every direction; but our unity was gone, and, like drowning men, we caught at straws.” [Barbour, N. H.: Evidences for the Coming of the Lord in 1873, Or the Midnight Cry, 1871, page 26.]
2. What was Barbour’s mindset he was disappointed.” Barbour abandoned his faith. He pursued a medical career, becoming a Medical Electrician, a therapist who treated disease through the application of electric current. It was seen as a valid therapy in those days.
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What did Barbour invest his time on while rethinking life? “He left for Australia to prospect for Gold, returning via London in 1859. There is some evidence that he preached on occasion while in Australia. A ship-board discussion with a clergyman reactivated his interest in Bible prophecy. He consulted books on prophetic themes at the British Library and became convinced that 1873 would mark the return of Christ. This was not a new speculation but had been advanced by others at least as early as 1823.
4. Charles Taze Russell, age left the Presbyterian Church to join a congregational church. Independent from his upbringing. Did C.T. Russell even consider Miller at this point? 1865 NO! Is there any publicans to suggest Russell was influenced by Miller at this time? NO! Did Russell know of Barbour at this Time? NO! Why, at that time, Barbour became an inventor and associated with Peter Cooper, the founder of Cooper Union. He patented several inventions. By 1863 he was in medical practice, dividing his time between Auburn and Rochester, New York. He returned to London in 1864 to demonstrate one of his inventions. He used his association with other inventors and scientists to spread his end-times doctrine, and some of his earliest associates in that belief were inventors and physicians.
5. Barbour return to spirituality.” He published something as early as 1867, though it has been lost. In 1871 he wrote and published a small book entitled Evidences for the Coming of the Lord in 1873, or The Midnight Cry. It quickly went through two printings and articles by him started appearing in the Second Adventist press, notably the World’s Crisis.
A significant movement advocating 1873 grew up, though it was divided into several parties. Jonas Wendell lead one; another centered on the magazine The Watchman’s Cry, and the rest associated most closely with Barbour. British Barbourites were represented by Elias H. Tuckett, a clergyman.6. Charles Taze Russell.” At age sixteen, a discussion with a childhood friend on faults perceived in Christianity such as contradictions in creeds, along with medieval traditions led Russell to question his faith. He then investigated various other religions, but concluded that they did not provide the answers he was seeking. 1868. Was there any involvement or partnership between Barbour and Russell at this time? NO! Russell ended up questioning scripture but to better understand it not abandon it like Barbour. It wasn’t until 1870 at age eighteen that the young Russell attended and Advent meeting under Jonas Wendell. This was the first time Russell heard anything to do with the Advent movement. Did he get influenced by it, not necessarily, because he stated: that although he did not entirely agree with the arguments presented by Wendell, the presentation was sufficient to inspire within him a renewed zeal and re-establish his belief that the Bible is the word of God. To believe in the Bible, not the ideology of the Advent movement portrayed by ignorant and stupid people of 1873-1874.
I could continue, but its tedious work, and I’m not here to teach you a history lesson.
Untimely when Barbour and Russell agreed to a partnership in 1878 it was short lived. Why, because Barbour NOT Russell continued with his Advent views which Russell DISAGREED with. They had a falling out and they went their separate ways with their own publicans. Was Russell ever influenced by the advent movement, NO!
So before you consider someone doesn’t know the lies and deception published by ignorant people just to make money, I suggest you read all the publicans you depict as being true, and before you embarrass yourself any further by suggesting I haven’t proven anything, that will suggest volumes to a none chronologist.
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Some Bethelites are Jackasses
by Old Goat inrachael de vienne is one of the authors of separate identity, a history of the watch tower's earliest years.
she's received low grade harassment from the watchtower for years.
she posted about it on her personal blog.
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Another promoter of Penton. Do you people get paid to promote bloggers? If not you should. Narcissism at its highest. Nelson H. Barbour the forgotten prophet. This bell has been ringing since the 30’s and apparently hasn’t stopped. Not even Wikipedia makes that claim. You people really need to speak with modern day bible students instead of spreading foolish mistaken chronology. Lorenzo is one of them, you know him as “Lars”
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Pedophilia a Worldwide Issue
by SimonSays inthe founder of a children's protection organization laments that pedophilia only makes the news when it is linked to priests, which misses the point that it is a worldwide problem.
rome italy.
jozef wesoowski: defendant in vaticans 1st child abuse trial dies.
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The founder of a children's protection organization laments that pedophilia only makes the news when it is linked to priests, which misses the point that it is a worldwide problem. ROME ITALY
Józef Wesołowski: Defendant in Vatican’s 1st Child Abuse Trial Dies
Wesołowski was found dead at his Vatican residence Friday morning, the Holy See confirmed. He was to be the first official tried by the Catholic Church for allegedly sexually abusing children.
Wesolowski was charged with paying for sex with and abusing children in the Dominican Republican between 2008 and 2013. He was also charged with possession of child pornography, dating from as recently as his return to Rome in 2013.
Was his death natural as alleged? Or foul play.
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JW Threatened me with Violence Today :)
by cofty ini popped into the supermarket for a few things after work today and found myself walking up an aisle alongside a couple who used to be in my tuesday group.
i see them reasonably often and always say hello much to their obvious annoyance.
i noticed that ian was sporting a shaggy beard.
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So let me understand this. An EXJW got in the face of another EXJW because you feel you have something in common but comes to find out that lan is more hostile than you, and then you come to this site to complain that an JW that is NOT an active JW possibly DFd himself from your own words that probably doesn’t even know you’re a disfellowshipped elder yourself and might have possible treated you the same way EXJW treat active witnesses seems very evolutionary, good to know.
Maybe you should have started the conversation with hey bud, from one DF to another, how you’re doing. Isn’t it great to be free from that cult, right? Just maybe you would have gotten a better reaction.
Can your intro be somewhat deceptive?
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Jehovah's people are the happiest people on earth!
by Coded Logic inso this afternoon my roommate and i decided to go grab some dinner from the local chipotle and, as we live only a short distance from the franchise, we decided it was a good idea to walk.
little did i know that the j-dubs district convention here in sacramento was just getting out (the auditorium is literally smack in the middle of downtown and its attendees have to park in garages scattered a couple blocks away in every direction) so men in cheap suits and women in unflattering dress' were walking all over the place as though someone had antagonized their ungodly ant hill.
and, for sacramento, this of course is the complete opposite of the normative - that is to say, our streets are usually filled with well dressed, immaculately groomed, 'i know exactly where i'm going' government officials that monopolize the state capitol m-f. .
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Also, by a stroke of luck, I happened to be wearing my shirt with a quote from Christopher Hitchens, "That which can be asserted without evidence - can be dismissed without evidence."
What does this ETHICS question comprise? it makes one ponder. Most people would view the question in various ways. The knowledge issues that come up are – science, history, human science, religion, belief, truth and faith. The impression sought after by Hitchens. This quote brings about various knowledge issues and in some cases you agree and some cases you cannot. Would this philosophy cause many to rethink, maybe, but to those with heavenly knowledge, most likely not? It would mean happiest are those who follow God’s instructions. Psalm 119:1-17 / 1 John 5:2-4 / 3 John 1:3-4
I hope some of them realize that not all "worldly people" are bad people. And that happiness is not unique to - if not altogether uncommon - among Jehovah's Witnesses.
They do, and they also do acts of kindness to others. However, the trademark of EXJWs is to the contrary and negative, that’s the only thing you’ll read here. This site should be called, ALL EXJW DISCUSSION FORUM since the present one is misleading in itself.
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The Org is terrified of apostates
by SecretSlaveClass ini knew apostasy was a serious concern for the org, but until i watched this video, i had no idea how afraid they actually were.
all this guy wants is to do is not turn in his fs hours and immediately they (elders) set about drilling him about who are what influenced his decision, as if he was incapable of making his own (which as the elders confirm, in the org is highly discouraged).
they are convinced he has been communicating with apostates or visiting apostate web sites.
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you People..
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There is no "Us" when I post.....Just Me..
Thank you for clarifying this point. I guess every time you POST a comment and get a response from your comment by some else, it’s only you. I guess you’ve been making this argument by yourself. It’s okay outlaw is winning to simonsays. Loony bin. Do you understand the word pathetic, since social groups doesn’t mean being in the same place?
You Claimed I asked a Question, I didn’t claim you had, my response was in lieu of your cowardice not to include the rest of the article you chose to illustrate your lies and now you’re just babbling it, by attempting to shift the blame to me like any opposer usually does. since your one of the oldest posters and you don’t want your reputation tarnished. I understand your mental state.
A perfect EXAMPLE is Village idiot to do the same manipulation tactics: "There will always be cult minded misleading people to support your deceit." Get a quote, take it out of context and there you have it, misleading.
If I would have written: There will always be cult minded misleading people HERE to support your deceit, it would have been more difficult to manipulate.
OUTLAW, stick to cartoons as mentioned. Let the poster have his 15 minutes of fame, and move on, get over yourself. Everybody still thinks you're the best and greatest, however you’ll never impress me, you have the last word.
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The Org is terrified of apostates
by SecretSlaveClass ini knew apostasy was a serious concern for the org, but until i watched this video, i had no idea how afraid they actually were.
all this guy wants is to do is not turn in his fs hours and immediately they (elders) set about drilling him about who are what influenced his decision, as if he was incapable of making his own (which as the elders confirm, in the org is highly discouraged).
they are convinced he has been communicating with apostates or visiting apostate web sites.
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Outlaw: What People?.....I don`t belong to any organized group.....You Do..
SOCIAL GROUP: In sociology, a group is usually defined as a number of people who identify and interact with one another. This is a very broad definition, as it includes groups of all sizes, from dyads to whole societies.
My bad, I guess you are that ignorant, since you can’t understand the daily encounter you have in this site. I guess this is why you people can’t tell what the truth is another more.
OUTLAW:I never asked that Question..
Watchtower and its JW Cult Members are "Notorious" for Misleading People.
That`s what the Article "You Quoted" was about..
You Have Just Proved The Articles Point.......Good Job!!..
My point was if the WTS doesn’t fear the CC, it would definitely not fear Apostates promoting false ideals through manipulation tactics just like the Catholic Church.
OUTLAW:Typical "Lazy Ass" JW,caught in his own Deceitful Bullshit..
Looking for a "Way Out" of the Mess he`s Posted..
I’m disappointed, you couldn’t come up with a better anecdote of a child’s saying “I know you are but what am I”. I wonder who the real coward is. Dust yourself off and don’t worry, you’ll never lose your friends here. There will always be cult minded misleading people to support your deceit. I hope i gave everyone the opportunity to vent to get rid of their anxiety. You should feel better now, carry on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!