Posts by SimonSays

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"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

by Alive! in

i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

really?

and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

SimonSays

Oh! I get it; Knorr was a Hypocrite for fulfilling a legal requirement to travel back then. So because he was a witness, Mark 12:17 didn’t apply. So what your saying is Clergy need to be like you, OUTLAWS. So any Clergy that travel are Despicable/Hypocritical Leaders regardless of having to satisfy any legal requirements. Well can’t argue with that philosophy thanks for clearing that up.

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"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

by Alive! in

i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

really?

and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

SimonSays

Behind the iron curtain. Brings back memories when Nathan Knorr was a speaker there and he along with 700 hundred people were arrested because the Catholic Church did not wish the Jehovah’s Witnesses to gather, similar to what happened in Argentina with the Buddhist. I can’t recall if it was 1945 or 1949. As told by G. Henschel

Some things don’t change as the Jews attempted to stop the Jw’s in Israel a month or so ago. Yes other religions fair so much better as humans to sanctify Gods works.

I wonder what type of idiocentricities on not to think about literature behind the iron curtain with fascism and government control. What did they call that propaganda? I love an intellectual conversation.

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"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

by Alive! in

i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

really?

and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

SimonSays

And there you go folks. You heard it from the horse’s mouth.

PUT COMPLETE TRUST ON THIS MAN SINCE THE TRUTH IS IN HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! \

This is your champion, good luck.

Just like the

Pharisees

A member of an ancient Jewish sect, distinguished by strict observance of the traditional and written law, and commonly held to have pretensions to superior sanctity.

o A self-righteous person; a hypocrite.

And

Sadducees

1. a member of a Jewish sect or party of the time of Jesus Christ that denied the resurrection of the dead, the existence of spirits, and the obligation of oral tradition, emphasizing acceptance of the written Law alone.

of old, just looking out for their own will being as high priest instead in believing and trusting in God the ransom he brought forth for your benefit. Just as them that only used scripture to benefit themselves back then has it come again in you people here? TRUST in one hypocrite on what another hypocrite is saying. I love how the mind works.

How insulting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

by Alive! in

i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

really?

and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

SimonSays

Interesting. At what point did the governing body become infallible. You seem to forget the GB are just people like the rest of us, and are subject to sin like the rest of us. When something goes array, God cleanse his house. Several GB’s have been disfellowshipped in the past. Remember Raymond Franz, a person you people admire here. Whatever excuse you wish to place on him, he was removed for the right reason, regardless if you agree with it or not.

The Governing Body are servants to shoulder the load of spiritual food. It’s incumbent upon them and the bethel house to make every attempt to fully understand scripture. All the questions that have been asked and misrepresented here have already been researched and scrutinized by them. Through prayer they trust in God that all decisions coming out of Bethel are correct, and if it isn’t they correct it. They don’t inadvertently hide anything.

The elders are there for the same thing. To shepherd the flock, but they’re not above them. At least in the USA maybe things are done differently. Why do you think so many disfellowshipped elders or ex-witnesses are here, because God cleaned house, and since they refuse to see their error of not taking responsibility for their own actions and have not repented, then they will continue to spew lies in order to confuse the younger generation into not believing in God all together. This also goes for active Witnesses that think by cloaking themselves here no one knows, but then again God does. So who is fooling who? The spiritual power of Christ sacrifice is upon us. Each person is responsible for their own salvation. The GB or Elders are not there to save your souls because they can’t, but to go through the same journey of salvation as instructed by Jesus and passed on to his Apostles for all to appreciate the ability of being one of God’s creation he has loved to a point of patients for us to redeem that sacrifice. So it is God’s Judgment not man’s that scripture holds the truth for.

So don’t confuse the perception of God’s channel. To the Catholics, the Pope is the Vicar of Christ, in other words, the Pope is acting Christ that through prayer the Holy Spirit makes him infallible. They call that The “Papal infallibility” and the Catholic Bishops are “Apostolic Succession” in other words Apostles. The GB doesn’t frame themselves with such high expectations other than through prayer. No imperfect soul can cleanse or forgive sin. Jesus Could because his was perfect, and eventually the apostles could through Christ, but that’s because Jesus gave them that power directly.

Whatever the case maybe. For those that still believe in God, It is no longer a time to separate but unit all Christian faiths for the greater good through Christ our savior to accomplish what he started in 33 C.E.

Being a Witness of YHWH is not just a mission but a reckoning of love and faith towards your own salvation. I wonder do any of you have that type of commitment as you do with your regular lives anymore to speak of love not hate, happiness not bitterness, appeasement not anger since that’s what it seems your arguments are, why haven’t you found it. HMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!

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JWs are being told Watchtower is financially strapped because they forgave Kingdom Hall mortgages!

by PokerPlayerPhil in

here's why the governing body did that little line on jw broadcasting, i have a source still inside new york and being as sneaky as ever, the watchtower is claiming they need the cash because they forgave the kingdom hall mortgages!

not all the kingdom halls are hitting the targeted monthly donation-revenue range, they are still asking other kingdom halls to pony up cash for kingdom halls that can't afford the "recommended donation rate".

pure evil, that's the jehovah"s witness watchtower theocratic war in action!

SimonSays

Here I thought you people were on to something, and yet again got disappointed. Yeah, shame on them for informing their members on how open they are with their finances, and how they would like all to continue the mission with that in mind.

I wonder who’s better, you?

http://www.forbes.com/top-charities/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/williampbarrett/2014/12/10/the-largest-u-s-charities-for-2014/2/

http://www.forbes.com/companies/catholic-charities-usa/

http://on-this-rock.blogspot.com/2013/03/does-church-spend-47-on-charities.html

http://www.economist.com/node/21560536

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/religious-people-donate-more-to-church-and-charity

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/mar/19/frank-keating/does-catholic-church-provide-half-social-services-/

https://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/5-barna-update/180-americans-donate-billions-to-charity-but-giving-to-churches-has-declined

http://www.trusteesofdonations.org/

https://www.barna.org/barna-update/congregations/41-new-study-shows-trends-in-tithing-and-donating

ETC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Israeli town council cancels Jehovah’s Witnesses event

by Watchtower-Free in

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.652440.

anti-missionary group yad l'achim had claimed christians were planning a 'mass baptism' and launched protest campaign in ra'anana.. the raanana municipality has canceled an event organized by the jehovahs witnesses in israel, concerned that the religious groups meeting would hurt the feelings of the public.

the event, which should have been held saturday in the raanana municipal sports center, was canceled following pressure by the anti-missionary group yad lachim.

SimonSays

Yes it’s a shame that Gods public works can’t be stopped, not even by governments.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.654581

Protest against Jehovah’s Witnesses seminar in central Israel turns violent

Hundreds show up to protest event, which is being held after a district court overturned the municipality's decision to block it.

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Cut and Paste of "The List" by Prominent Bethelite of Previous Watchtower Predicted Dates

by TMS in

jw
friends

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" {tiah 240-1, also references in wr oct 1879 3941, tkic 84}.

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SimonSays

I know huh! How can people possibly think that a person by the handle “Prominent Bethelite” that made false claims, be trusted? Especially a traitor to all the oppers that he made look bad.

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Cut and Paste of "The List" by Prominent Bethelite of Previous Watchtower Predicted Dates

by TMS in

jw
friends

" {watchtower sep 1 1989 12}.

" {tiah 240-1, also references in wr oct 1879 3941, tkic 84}.

'" {zions watchtower mar 1880 repr 82}.

SimonSays

BATT C.T.Russell: Studies in the Scriptures IV - Battle of Armageddon (till

1910, The Day of Vengeance), 1897, 1904-20, 1923-5, 1927

1776

"And this long persecution, in which 'many were purified and made white and tried,' and in which the Mother of Harlots was 'drunk with the blood of the saints and the martyrs of Jesus' (Rev. 17:6) ended as we have already shown, practically in 1776...” {BATT 584} [Also see 1799]

The Battle of Armageddon Series 4

The Darkening of the Sun and Moon as Signs

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken." Matt. 24:29; Mark 13:24, 25 The tribulation "of those days" should be clearly

Distinguished from the tribulation at the end of those days, in

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which this age and harvest will close: but this is not so clearly manifest in the accounts by Matthew and Mark as when we compare Luke's record--which seems to briefly summarize the events of the Gospel age, and, omitting the "tribulation of those days," refers only to the other tribulation with which the age will be closed. He says: "And they [Jews] shall fall by the edge of the sword and be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles until the Times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. And there shall be signs in the sun and in

the moon and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; men's hearts failing them for fear and for looking forward to those things which are coming upon the earth." Luke 21:24-26 The fact is that the entire Gospel age has been a period of tribulation referred to in Matt. 24:9-12, and now in verse 29. (1) The early Church was persecuted by civil Rome, while later, when Papal Rome got control, all who refused to approve her abominations were persecuted by her (Jezebel) directly, or indirectly by the civil powers to which she was wedded (Ahab). And they were given into her power, and she wore out the saints of the Most High for a time, times and a half time--1260 years--until A.D. 1799. And this long persecution, in which "many were purified and made white and tried," and in which the Mother of Harlots was "drunk with the blood of the saints and the martyrs of Jesus" (Rev. 17:6) ended as we have already shown, practically in 1776 and actually in 1799 when the Pope and his authority were humiliated before the World.* Understanding clearly, then, that it is signs that will follow

the tribulation "of those days" that our Lord refers to, we inquire respecting the very definitely described signs—the darkening of the sun and moon, and the falling of the stars.

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*Vol. II, Chap. 9 and Vol. III, Chap. 4.

1780

"signs in sun, moon and stars [of] Matthew 24:29" {WR Jan 1885 711}

1780

"Are these signs to be regarded as literal or as symbolic? and have they yet been fulfilled? We answer that they have had a literal fulfillment, and are now having a symbolic fulfillment much more momentous. On May 19, 1780 (still 'in those days,' the 1260 years of Papal power, but after that power had begun to wane and the brunt of the tribulation had passed) a phenomenal darkening of the sun occurred, for which scientists of that time and since have never been able to account.. This unaccountable day, except as a sign from the Lord, is reckoned to have extended over 320,000 square miles - an area about twenty-five times the size of Palestine, to which the signs of the first

advent were limited. Indeed, the fact that these signs were chiefly confined to the New England and Middle States need not surprise us, when we remember that the first movement amongst the 'Virgins'* (Matt. 25:1-5) was chiefly in the same locality. And that God should use the 'land of liberty' for sending the message of these signs to the world, is no more wonderful than that he has been pleased to send from the same quarter many of the modern blessings and inventions and lessons, recognized by the whole world, and aptly emblemized by the gift of the great French artist, Bartholdi, to New York harbor - the statue of 'Liberty Enlightening the World.'" {BATT 585-8}

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Are these signs to be regarded as literal or as symbolic? And have they yet been fulfilled? We answer that they have had a literal fulfillment, and are now having a symbolic fulfillment much more momentous. On May 19, 1780 (still "in those days," the 1260 years of Papal power, but after that power had begun to wane and the brunt of the tribulation had passed) a phenomenal

darkening of the sun occurred, for which scientists of that time and since have never been able to account. That this was no ordinary occurrence is sufficiently established by the following competent testimony-- The noted astronomer Herschel, says: "The dark day in Northern America was one of those wonderful phenomena of nature which will always be read of with interest, but which philosophy is at a loss to explain." Webster's Dictionary, 1869 edition, under the head of

Vocabulary of Noted Names, says: "The dark day, May 19, 1780--so called on account of a

remarkable darkness on that day extending over all New England. In some places, persons could not see to read common print in the open air for several hours together. Birds sang their evening songs, disappeared, and became silent; fowls went to roost; cattle sought the barn-yard; and candles were lighted in the houses. The obscuration began about ten o'clock in the morning, and continued till the middle of the next night, but with differences of degree of duration in different places." The Connecticut Legislature was in session that day and adjourned. The Journal of the House notes the matter as follows: "A solemn gloom of unusual darkness before ten o'clock--a still darker cloud rolling under the sable curtain from the North and West before eleven o'clock—excluded the light so that none could see to read or write in the House, even at either window, or distinguish persons at a

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short distance, or perceive any distinction of dress in the circle of attendants; wherefore, at eleven o'clock adjourned the House till two in the afternoon." Friday, May 19, 1780. A minister of that time, and an eye-witness, Rev. Elam Potter, preaching on the 28 inst., nine days after it, is reported to have used the following language: "But specially I mention that wonderful darkness on the 19th of May, inst. Then, as in our text, the sun was darkened; such a darkness as was probably never known before since the crucifixion of our Lord. People left their work in the

house and in the field; travelers stopped; schools broke up at eleven o'clock; people lighted candles at noon-day; and the fire shone as at night. Some people, I am told, were in dismay, and thought whether the Day of Judgment was not drawing on. A great part of the following night also was singularly dark. The moon, though in the full, gave no light, as in our text." Tract No. 379, published by the American Tract Society --The Life of Edward Lee, says: "In the month of May, 1780, there was a very terrific dark day when all faces seemed to gather blackness, and the

people were filled with fear. There was great distress in the village where Edward Lee lived; men's hearts failed them for fear that the Judgment Day was at hand; and the neighbors all flocked around the holy man, for his lamp was trimmed and shining brighter than ever amidst the unnatural darkness. Happy and joyful in God, he pointed them to the only refuge from the wrath to come, and spent the gloomy hours in earnest prayer for the distressed multitudes." We quote as follows from Judge R. M. Devins, in "Our First Century": "Almost, if not altogether alone, as the most mysterious and as yet unexplained phenomena of its kind in nature's diversified range of events during the last century, stands the dark day of May 19, 1780; a most unaccountable darkening of the whole visible heavens and atmosphere in New

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England, which brought intense alarm and distress to multitudes of minds, as well as dismay to the brute creation-- the fowls fleeing, bewildered, to their roosts, and the cattle to their stalls. Indeed, thousands of the good people of that day became fully convinced that the end of all things terrestrial had come, many gave up, for the time, their secular pursuits, and betook themselves to religious devotions. It was a wonderful dark day."Judge Samuel Tenney, LL.D., wrote of this "dark day" to the Historical Society in 1785, saying: "Several gentlemen of literary ability have endeavored to solve the phenomenon, yet I believe you will agree with me, that no satisfactory solution has yet appeared." Noah Webster, LL.D., wrote in 1843, in the New Haven

Herald, concerning this dark day, and said, "I stood and viewed the phenomenon. No satisfactory cause has yet been assigned." Rev. Edward Bass, D.D., First Episcopal Bishop of Vermont,

in his diary for May 19, 1780, wrote: "This day is the most remarkable in the memory of man for darkness." The darkening of the moon at its full the night following seems to have been little less remarkable than this darkening of the sun; a witness, Judge Tenney, of Exeter, N. H., is quoted as follows: "The darkness of the following evening was probably as gross as has ever been observed since the Almighty first gave birth to light. I could not help conceiving at the time, that if every luminous body in the universe had been shrouded in impenetrable darkness, or struck out of existence, the darkness could not have been more complete. A sheet of white paper held within a few inches of the eye was equally invisible with the blackest velvet." This unaccountable day, except as a sign from the Lord, is reckoned to have extended over 320,000 square miles—an area about twenty-five times the size of Palestine, to which the signs of the first advent were limited. Indeed, the fact

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that these signs were chiefly confined to the New England and Middle States need not surprise us, when we remember that the first movement amongst the "Virgins"* (Matt. 25:1-5) was chiefly in the same locality. And that God should use the "land of liberty" for sending the message of these signs to the world, is no more wonderful than that he has been pleased to send from the same quarter many of the modern blessings and inventions and lessons, recognized by

the whole world, and aptly emblemized by the gift of the great French artist, Bartholdi, to New York harbor—the statue of "Liberty Enlightening the World."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1780_in_Great_Britain

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catholicism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Riots

You judge for yourself in what C.T. Russell was referencing. This is a small example without having to write another book, what was he drawing parallels to and quoting in behalf of whom at that time. At what point did he make predictions. After reading the book, you’ll find this champion you admire is nothing more than a fraud as previously stated. Show me that list in a WTS publican as implied. Anyone can cut snippets to have words mean what they want until you see the real truth, TTBTT.

Watchtower Reprint January 1885 R711

Sub: THE SIGN OF HIS PRESENCE.

"What shall be the sign [indication] of thy

presence, and of the consummation of the age?"

Matt. 24:3.--Diaglott.

This filler has no correlation to Matthew 24:29, SO FALSE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Cut and Paste of "The List" by Prominent Bethelite of Previous Watchtower Predicted Dates

by TMS in

jw
friends

" {watchtower sep 1 1989 12}.

" {tiah 240-1, also references in wr oct 1879 3941, tkic 84}.

'" {zions watchtower mar 1880 repr 82}.

SimonSays

Nice try, I saw this list about 10-15 years ago from an imposter pretending to be a bethelite. I would think not some witnesses but all would say this list is garbage as they did back then. But then again, we know where you got the list from. That’s why his publisher removed his book. If you are going to lie, cheat, and steal, at the very least be in the game.

1. NOT (c) Prominent Bethelite 1999

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How about reminding your audience about other churches that believe in prophecy

http://www.soundchristian.com/prophecy/who/

Read the Kingdom Come carefully, and understand the concept of 1799-1914

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