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  Rutherford's Hitler Letter - An Alternate History

  by cappytan in

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  if you're unaware of the letter tinged with anti-semitism and offering tacit approval that rutherford wrote to hitler, see this article on jwfacts.. so, we all know the witnesses were persecuted quite a bit during the war years.

  i personally had family that was in jail with brother schroder in the 40's for the crime of "peddling.

  i'm an agnostic fader, however i still think the mob violence against the witnesses was deplorable.

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  Families who had a son serving in the armed forces had tender emotions pushed to the limit by the public declarations of J-Dubs calling down condemnation. Go all the way back to the book THE FINISHED MYSTERY and read the incredibly incendiary language. It caused the WTS leaders to be tried, convicted, and imprisoned for treason.

  I disagree, the assertion that bible students were deliberately asking for trouble is wrong. I suggest you reread the book The Finished Mystery again, but with a good pair of reading glasses to understand the J-Dubs as you call them were being attacked publicly and in print by the Catholic Church and with clueless self promoting bigots calling themselves preacher by calling this group Charlatans and whatever else. Eventually the Catholic Church by means of misleading the government by suggesting the Bible Students / Jehovah’s Witnesses were in essence unpatriotic traitors landed many in prison.

  So Russell and Rutherford, instead of taking this despicable situation personally, they instead condemned those agitators through the pulpit, action.

  The same kind of nonsense that goes on here.
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  Is 2034 the ultimate Watchtower date?

  by cultswatter in

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  2. beliefs

  a recent wacktower had hinted that the year 2034 would be the final date for armaggedon.

  if armageddon has not arrived by 2035 then will the wts close shop for good or will they simply accuse the past presidents of apostacy and regroup to form another daughter of the tower offshoot baseless religion?.

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  This is funny; you’re putting words in the mouth of the WTS that haven’t been spoken by them. The same hysteria that happened in 1975 by a bunch of clueless self promoting people within the organization that were in essence confused or just studying.

  Good work people, you inadvertently solved your own conundrum of how 1975 happened.

  
  
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  Is 2034 the ultimate Watchtower date?

  by cultswatter in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a recent wacktower had hinted that the year 2034 would be the final date for armaggedon.

  if armageddon has not arrived by 2035 then will the wts close shop for good or will they simply accuse the past presidents of apostacy and regroup to form another daughter of the tower offshoot baseless religion?.

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  Think? Is that what you're doing?

  NOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
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  Did judge Rutherford piss off Hitler

  by greenhornet in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the jws at the time in germany where considered part of the aryan race, (since they were not jews).

  then things changed for the jws after rutherford mailed a letter to hitler bragging about jehovahs kingdom on earth.. so can we add this to the bloodshed that that the watchtower corp is responsible for?.

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  SimonSays

  Yes I understand your handicap. True to your avatar, black heart.
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  Is 2034 the ultimate Watchtower date?

  by cultswatter in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a recent wacktower had hinted that the year 2034 would be the final date for armaggedon.

  if armageddon has not arrived by 2035 then will the wts close shop for good or will they simply accuse the past presidents of apostacy and regroup to form another daughter of the tower offshoot baseless religion?.

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  SimonSays

  First off 2034 was orchestrated by you people, not the WTS. Second, let your ideology out while you still can, don’t worry, Government will close the WTS soon enough for you all? But then again, it will close all religion as well. So the only people that will enjoy life for a short time will be atheist and evolutionist. Any converts, think about it before the figure pointing starts.
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  Did judge Rutherford piss off Hitler

  by greenhornet in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the jws at the time in germany where considered part of the aryan race, (since they were not jews).

  then things changed for the jws after rutherford mailed a letter to hitler bragging about jehovahs kingdom on earth.. so can we add this to the bloodshed that that the watchtower corp is responsible for?.

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  No, no. If they’re going after the truth, they need to understand what was going on with religion throughout the globe at that time.

  The focus on Bible Students and Jehovah’s Witnesses is just an underline niche compared to other religions and it’s time people here begin to understand, if they’re going to have a political debate that this 2 factions didn’t have? Then, they also need to understand the atrocities other religions had by condemning Students and Witnesses. The conversation here has not even scratched the surface. Perhaps someone in Rome can convince the Vatican to open up their book vaults to research the history correctly. I have already mentioned it once.

  Will they ever admit that some church fathers pointed out bible students and other religious factions in order to keep the Gestapo happy with the Vatican?

  Find someone who was there like I did, get first hand experiences from people who lived the horrors. I wouldn’t give 2 cents on what James Peton, or Raymond Franz side.

  They need to understand that while it seems funny for people here to trash talk an organization, governments like Russia, and that crazy dictator Putin gets fed this nonsense, and what happens, do Witnesses get shutdown, NO they get imprisoned, retaliated and killed. The differences in persecution of Jehovah’s Witnesses elsewhere might not necessarily come from the Vatican but through the Orthodox Church.

  I would suggest book writers here, at the very least be honest, nothing more. Generating controversy doesn’t help your cause of attempting to get to the truth you seek. Just remember, Jehovah’s Witnesses persecution continues, and will continue to the very end.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City_in_World_War_II

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_Nazi_Germany_during_World_War_II

  http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican55.htm

  http://serbianna.com/analysis/archives/1182

  http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/07/opinion/l-why-the-vatican-kept-silent-on-nazi-atrocities-378789.html

  http://hitlernews.cloudworth.com/secret-history-of-vatican-and-hitleryouth-pope.php

  http://www.fatherfeeney.org/point/52-mar.html
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  How much sediment would have been moved in Noah's flood?

  by Zoos in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i flew over this crate yesterday on my return home from las vegas.. .

  they say this crater was created by an asteroid about 50,000 years ago.

  then about 6000 years ago, presumably, god wiped out all life on earth with a global flood.. how much sediment would have been moved around during that flood.

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  SimonSays

  That's funny!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
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  Did judge Rutherford piss off Hitler

  by greenhornet in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the jws at the time in germany where considered part of the aryan race, (since they were not jews).

  then things changed for the jws after rutherford mailed a letter to hitler bragging about jehovahs kingdom on earth.. so can we add this to the bloodshed that that the watchtower corp is responsible for?.

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  SimonSays

  Yes isn’t it hilarious how people here twist the truth around to benefit their theory. I hope no active Witnesses buy into subversiveness. If you ever bother to research the true Facts?

  Instead of relying on Joke with Facts, and other propaganda sites, you’ll find the underline intent the Catholic Church and other Religious people manifested to question Rutherford’s letter to The Reich and the framework and position Jehovah’s Witnesses held with Party affiliations and government, was to redirect the focus of allegiance from them to the Reich, to the Witnesses.

  So to some extent political insertion by opposing Christians would be correct for the Vatican and others. Can you say by the actions of other religions, Witnesses died needlessly, sure you can. If you have a copy of the letter, read it through again.
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  Did judge Rutherford piss off Hitler

  by greenhornet in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the jws at the time in germany where considered part of the aryan race, (since they were not jews).

  then things changed for the jws after rutherford mailed a letter to hitler bragging about jehovahs kingdom on earth.. so can we add this to the bloodshed that that the watchtower corp is responsible for?.

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  SimonSays

  Once again how do you resolve the presumptuous questions that are marred with inaccuracies.

  http://www.agsconsulting.com/articles/zionists.htm

  This site has misleading statements with no perception on what was going on in that region in the 1910’s, 1920’s 1930’s, 1940’s.

  http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/mcmahon.htm

  http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/balfour_declaration_of_1917.htm

  http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/ht/d/ContentDetails/i/2963

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Nebi_Musa_riots

  http://www.danielpipes.org/8025/the-year-the-arabs-discovered-palestine

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine

  Etc. You cannot consider C.T. Russell’s motive much less that of Rutherford’s without researching ALL the tumultuous times they were in. You are only concentrating in Hitler’s regime and the similarities it had supposedly by the WTS. No such recorded influence exists. You’re undermining modern perception with yesterday’s events.

  How did Russell perceive the unjust way The Jewish people were having, did that make him a Zionist, NO. He was not calling for flight, money grabbing or criminal intent as you people like to believe. He understood their dilemma. he had firsthand knowledge how it felt to be mistreated, condemned by a bunch of unethical preachers, and governments that ultimately sent some of them to prison on a religious whim. You people seem to forget Bible Students, And Jehovah’s Witnesses have been front and center to prosecution, simply understand this site to find the meaning.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Nations

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Nations_mandate

  http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/mandate_for_palestine/mandate_for_palestine.htm

  So your representation of The Bible Students and Jehovah’s Witnesses would be false. Your presuming to

  know the intentions and mindset of people without complete research.
  
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  Is it possible that you were raised in a false religion?

  by snare&racket in

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  2. friends

  do you believe in islam?

  there are 1.6 billion muslims.

  do you accept the pope as gods representative on earth?

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  SimonSays

  I understand, moving on!!!!!!!!!!!1