That's a pretty sad comment Greendawn.
yaddayadda
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From JW to pornostar
by DannyBloem injust watching a show now, kind of a reality show where a woman explains that she was a jw, and now is most known porno star here.. she was married also this week i think, and has her own show now.
funny.. can not post pictres here, they are all not really suitable.
but google for "kim holland".
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Another statistics
by Shazard inis here in this site or somewhere else shown some graphs how ex-jw divide into atheists (strange religion) and believers?
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Seattle, as stated, I can accept a persons reasons for being agnostic. Agnosticism is actually quite reasonable in many ways, because agnostics at least make allowance for the possibility that God exists. They just don't find the current evidence compelling enough. However, atheism is a self-contradictory, arrogant position, often motivated more by personal bias than a true, objective scientific logical conclusion. Many persons will admit that they dislike the idea of a God because they resent organised religion and the idea of being morally accountable to a higher being. It is just the antithesis, the flip side, of religious dogmatism.
To say there is no God is to say you have enough knowledge to know there is no God. But an atheist can never have enough knowledge to be certain there is no God. He would have to know everything, because if there is something outside his area of knowledge, that something could include God. An atheist would have to be everywhere in and out of the universe all at one time, because if there is anywhere he cannot be, God could be there.
No atheist can claim total knowledge, therefore atheism is self–refuting, because knowing everything and being everywhere is to be like God. Since no one can prove ‘there is no God’, the question becomes irrelevant and so does atheism. Thus, Creation cannot be ruled out as a potential alternative.
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Another statistics
by Shazard inis here in this site or somewhere else shown some graphs how ex-jw divide into atheists (strange religion) and believers?
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Scientists alive today who accept the biblical account of creation?
Note: Individuals on this list must possess a doctorate in a science-related field.
- Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
- Dr E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
- Dr James Allan, Geneticist
- Dr Steve Austin, Geologist
- Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist
- Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist
- Dr Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
- Dr Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert
- Dr John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
- Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
- Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
- Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
- Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist
- Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
- Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
- Dr David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
- Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
- Dr David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony)
- Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
- Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
- Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
- Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
- Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist
- Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
- Dr John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
- Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
- Dr Bob Compton, DVM
- Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist
- Dr Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
- Dr William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
- Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
- Dr Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
- Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
- Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
- Dr Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
- Dr Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
- Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
- Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
- Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
- Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
- Dr Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
- Dr Ted Driggers, Operations research
- Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research
- Dr André Eggen, Geneticist
- Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
- Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
- Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
- Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
- Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
- Dr Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science
- Dr Paul Giem, Medical Research
- Dr Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
- Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist
- Dr Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
- Dr D.B. Gower, Biochemistry
- Dr Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist
- Dr Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist
- Dr Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
- Dr Barry Harker, Philosopher
- Dr Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
- Dr John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist
- Dr Mark Harwood, Satellite Communications
- Dr George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
- Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
- Dr Harold R. Henry, Engineer
- Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
- Dr Joseph Henson, Entomologist
- Dr Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
- Dr Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service
- Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
- Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
- Dr Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
- Dr George F. Howe, Botany
- Dr Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
- Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist
- Dr James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
- Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy
- George T. Javor, Biochemistry
- Dr Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist
- Dr Arthur Jones, Biology
- Dr Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
- Dr Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist
- Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
- Dr Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
- Dr Dean Kenyon, Biologist
- Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
- Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
- Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
- Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
- Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
- Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
- Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
- Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
- Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
- Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist
- Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
- Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
- Dr John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
- Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
- Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
- Dr John Leslie, Biochemist
- Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics
- Dr Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
- Dr Alan Love, Chemist
- Dr Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist:
- Dr John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
- Dr George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher
- Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
- Dr John McEwan, Chemist
- Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
- Dr David Menton, Anatomist
- Dr Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
- Dr John Meyer, Physiologist
- Colin W. Mitchell, Geography
- Dr John N. Moore, Science Educator
- Dr John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist
- Dr Henry M. Morris, Hydrologist
- Dr John D. Morris, Geologist
- Dr Len Morris, Physiologist
- Dr Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
- Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering
- Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
- Dr Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
- Dr David Oderberg, Philosopher
- Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
- Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
- Dr John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
- Dr Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
- Dr Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
- Dr David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon
- Prof. Richard Porter
- Dr Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics
- Dr John Rankin, Cosmologist
- Dr A.S. Reece, M.D.
- Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
- Dr Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
- Dr David Rosevear, Chemist
- Dr Ariel A. Roth, Biology
- Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist
- Dr Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist:
- Dr Ian Scott, Educator
- Dr Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
- Dr Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
- Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
- Dr Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
- Dr Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist
- Dr Roger Simpson, Engineer
- Dr Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
- Dr E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
- Dr Andrew Snelling, Geologist
- Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
- Dr Timothy G. Standish, Biology
- Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education
- Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
- Dr Esther Su, Biochemistry
- Dr Charles Taylor, Linguistics
- Dr Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering
- Dr Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
- Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
- Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
- Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
- Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
- Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
- Dr Joachim Vetter, Biologist
- Dr Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist
- Dr Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
- Dr Keith Wanser, Physicist
- Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
- Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
- Dr John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist
- Dr Carl Wieland, Medical doctor
- Dr Lara Wieland, Medical doctor
- Dr Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist
- Dr Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
- Dr Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist
- Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
- Dr Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering
- Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
- Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
- Dr Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
- Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
- Dr Henry Zuill, Biology
Is there evidence of discrimination against creation scientists?
- Contemporary suppression of the theistic worldview
- Do creation scientists publish in secular journals?
- Do creationists publish in notable refereed journals?
- Bias in higher education
- Peer pressure and truth
- Revolutionary Atmospheric Invention by Victim of Anti-creationist Discrimination
- The not-so-Nobel decision
- The tyranny of ‘tolerance’
Which scientists of the past believed in a Creator?
Note: These scientists are sorted by birth year.
Early
Francis Bacon (1561–1626) Scientific method. However, see also
Culture Wars:- Part 1: Bacon vs Ham
- Part 2: Ham vs Bacon
- Galileo Galilei (1564–1642) (WOH) Physics, Astronomy (see also The Galileo ‘twist’ and The Galileo affair: history or heroic hagiography?
- Johann Kepler (1571–1630) (WOH) Scientific astronomy
- Athanasius Kircher (1601–1680) Inventor
- John Wilkins (1614–1672)
- Walter Charleton (1619–1707) President of the Royal College of Physicians
- Blaise Pascal (biography page) and article from Creation magazine (1623–1662) Hydrostatics; Barometer
- Sir William Petty (1623 –1687) Statistics; Scientific economics
- Robert Boyle (1627–1691) (WOH) Chemistry; Gas dynamics
- John Ray (1627–1705) Natural history
- Isaac Barrow (1630–1677) Professor of Mathematics
- Nicolas Steno (1631–1686) Stratigraphy
- Thomas Burnet (1635–1715) Geology
- Increase Mather (1639–1723) Astronomy
- Nehemiah Grew (1641–1712) Medical Doctor, Botany
The Age of Newton
- Isaac Newton (1642–1727) (WOH) Dynamics; Calculus; Gravitation law; Reflecting telescope; Spectrum of light (wrote more about the Bible than science, and emphatically affirmed a Creator. Some have accused him of Arianism, but it’s likely he held to a heterodox form of the Trinity—See Pfizenmaier, T.C., Was Isaac Newton an Arian? Journal of the History of Ideas 68(1):57–80, 1997)
- Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz (1646–1716) Mathematician
- John Flamsteed (1646–1719) Greenwich Observatory Founder; Astronomy
- William Derham (1657–1735) Ecology
- Cotton Mather (1662–1727) Physician
- John Harris (1666–1719) Mathematician
- John Woodward (1665–1728) Paleontology
- William Whiston (1667–1752) Physics, Geology
- John Hutchinson (1674–1737) Paleontology
- Johathan Edwards (1703–1758) Physics, Meteorology
- Carolus Linneaus (1707–1778) Taxonomy; Biological classification system
- Jean Deluc (1727–1817) Geology
- Richard Kirwan (1733–1812) Mineralogy
- William Herschel (1738–1822) Galactic astronomy; Uranus (probably believed in an old-earth)
- James Parkinson (1755–1824) Physician (old-earth compromiser*)
- John Dalton (1766–1844) Atomic theory; Gas law
- John Kidd, M.D. (1775–1851) Chemical synthetics (old-earth compromiser*)
Just Before Darwin
- The 19 th Century Scriptural Geologists, by Dr Terry Mortenson
- Timothy Dwight (1752–1817) Educator
- William Kirby (1759–1850) Entomologist
- Jedidiah Morse (1761–1826) Geographer
- Benjamin Barton (1766–1815) Botanist; Zoologist
- John Dalton (1766–1844) Father of the Modern Atomic Theory; Chemistry
- Georges Cuvier (1769–1832) Comparative anatomy, paleontology (old-earth compromiser*)
- Samuel Miller (1770–1840) Clergy
- Charles Bell (1774–1842) Anatomist
- John Kidd (1775–1851) Chemistry
- Humphrey Davy (1778–1829) Thermokinetics; Safety lamp
- Benjamin Silliman (1779–1864) Mineralogist (old-earth compromiser*)
- Peter Mark Roget (1779–1869) Physician; Physiologist
- Thomas Chalmers (1780–1847) Professor (old-earth compromiser*)
- David Brewster (1781–1868) Optical mineralogy, Kaleidoscope (probably believed in an old-earth)
- William Buckland (1784–1856) Geologist (old-earth compromiser*)
- William Prout (1785–1850) Food chemistry (probably believed in an old-earth)
- Adam Sedgwick (1785–1873) Geology (old-earth compromiser*)
- Michael Faraday (1791–1867) (WOH) Electro magnetics; Field theory, Generator
- Samuel F.B. Morse (1791–1872) Telegraph
- John Herschel (1792–1871) Astronomy (old-earth compromiser*)
- Edward Hitchcock (1793–1864) Geology (old-earth compromiser*)
- William Whewell (1794–1866) Anemometer (old-earth compromiser*)
- Joseph Henry (1797–1878) Electric motor; Galvanometer
Just After Darwin
- Richard Owen (1804–1892) Zoology; Paleontology (old-earth compromiser*)
- Matthew Maury (1806–1873) Oceanography, Hydrography (probably believed in an old-earth*)
- Louis Agassiz (1807–1873) Glaciology, Ichthyology (old-earth compromiser, polygenist*)
- Henry Rogers (1808–1866) Geology
- James Glaisher (1809–1903) Meteorology
- Philip H. Gosse (1810–1888) Ornithologist; Zoology
- Sir Henry Rawlinson (1810–1895) Archeologist
- James Simpson (1811–1870) Gynecology, Anesthesiology
- James Dana (1813–1895) Geology (old-earth compromiser*)
- Sir Joseph Henry Gilbert (1817–1901) Agricultural Chemist
- James Joule (1818–1889) Thermodynamics
- Thomas Anderson (1819–1874) Chemist
- Charles Piazzi Smyth (1819–1900) Astronomy
- George Stokes (1819–1903) Fluid Mechanics
- John William Dawson (1820–1899) Geology (probably believed in an old-earth*)
- Rudolph Virchow (1821–1902) Pathology
- Gregor Mendel (1822–1884) (WOH) Genetics
- Louis Pasteur (1822–1895) (WOH) Bacteriology, Biochemistry; Sterilization; Immunization
- Henri Fabre (1823–1915) Entomology of living insects
- William Thompson, Lord Kelvin (1824–1907) Energetics; Absolute temperatures; Atlantic cable (believed in an older earth than the Bible indicates, but far younger than the evolutionists wanted*)
- William Huggins (1824–1910) Astral spectrometry
- Bernhard Riemann (1826–1866) Non-Euclidean geometries
- Joseph Lister (1827–1912) Antiseptic surgery
- Balfour Stewart (1828–1887) Ionospheric electricity
- James Clerk Maxwell (1831–1879) (WOH) Electrodynamics; Statistical thermodynamics
- P.G. Tait (1831–1901) Vector analysis
- John Bell Pettigrew (1834–1908) Anatomist; Physiologist
- John Strutt, Lord Rayleigh (1842–1919) Similitude; Model Analysis; Inert Gases
- Sir William Abney (1843–1920) Astronomy
- Alexander MacAlister (1844–1919) Anatomy
- A.H. Sayce (1845–1933) Archeologist
- John Ambrose Fleming (1849–1945) Electronics; Electron tube; Thermionic valve
The Modern Period
- Dr Clifford Burdick, Geologist
- George Washington Carver (1864–1943) Inventor
- L. Merson Davies (1890–1960) Geology; Paleontology
- Douglas Dewar (1875–1957) Ornithologist
- Howard A. Kelly (1858–1943) Gynecology
- Paul Lemoine (1878–1940) Geology
- Dr Frank Marsh, Biology
- Dr John Mann, Agriculturist, biological control pioneer
- Edward H. Maunder (1851–1928) Astronomy
- William Mitchell Ramsay (1851–1939) Archeologist
- William Ramsay (1852–1916) Isotopic chemistry, Element transmutation
- Charles Stine (1882–1954) Organic Chemist
- Dr Arthur Rendle-Short (1885–1955) Surgeon
- Sir Cecil P. G. Wakeley (1892–1979) Surgeon
- Dr Larry Butler, Biochemist
- Prof. Verna Wright, Rheumatologist (deceased 1997)
- Arthur E. Wilder-Smith (1915–1995) Three science doctorates; a creation science pioneer
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I went to church yesterday...
by mrsjones5 in.
omg i love going to church, the music, the people, the sermon, the pastors, the childcare (sunday school .
josie
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I've recently been exploring a few different churches now that I'm outta the dubs. I have got choked up emotionally at every service I've been too. Something about the music and singing that opened me up emotionally unlike anything I've experienced as a dub, (except occasionally when I was a teen during closing songs at district assemblies.) Had to hold myself back from blubbering my eyes out. It kinda made me realise that I am holding a lot of shit inside me at an emotional level and could really do with some healing. I fully agree that the JW meetings are emotionally sterile and lacking love.
Although non-trinitarian, I actually enjoyed the emphasis on Jesus, although I did squirm a bit at some of the song lyrics and a few things said that portrayed Jesus a little too highly for my liking. One church in particular I won't be going back to because the speaker, although good, basically made out that Jesus was Yahweh. But I intend to return to one church in particular. It was a little less 'rock n roll' and more relaxed and a chap there really impressed me with his friendliness and personal attention, showing me all around the place and having a coffee with me afterwards. And Lord knows I could really do with some new friends as its been a real struggle since leaving the JW's.
Generally I have been extremely impressed with the kindness and friendliness shown by people at the revival type churches. It has made me realise that they really are nice, caring people who love God and Christ (or so it seems). I'm trying not to get too hung up about the fact that they have a few false doctrines because I have come to accept that there is no one true Christian denomination on earth. They all just have a mix of true and false.
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Another statistics
by Shazard inis here in this site or somewhere else shown some graphs how ex-jw divide into atheists (strange religion) and believers?
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LOL Seattle, your analogy between believing in unicorns and a rational choice to belief that there must be a Creator is not a valid comparison. More like a rather silly straw-man. There are solid, scientific, rational reasons for believing that there is a God. Many of the greatest scientific minds on earth today profess to believe in a creator, and they base that decision on sound reasoning, not wishful thinking or religious bias. They may not believe that entity or mind is exactly as portrayed in the bible, but they accept that there must logically be some creative mind force much higher than ourselves. I'm sure you are obviously aware of those arguments, assuming you come from a JW/Christian background. If you aren't then I'd be happy to provide you with some information. On the other hand there is absolutely no valid scientific reason to believe in unicorns, which is a product of fictional imagination.
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Another statistics
by Shazard inis here in this site or somewhere else shown some graphs how ex-jw divide into atheists (strange religion) and believers?
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I can understand people being agnostic, but atheists? There is no such thing really. Everyone believes in something higher than ourselves, even Seattleniceguy. Atheism is the highest form of bravado.
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What was "it" that opened your eyes?
by jiggulz inlike so many people, i'm (very carefully)trying to convey the obvious "truth" about the wtb&ts to some of the members of my family.
is there any key point that "stands out" in your memory as pivotal in the opening of your eyes?
or any particular point that may have opened the eyes of your loved ones?
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it was learning about the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection
LOL, thats a new one.
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Pride in Statistics. How well are the JW's doing, really?
by jgnat inthis week's study article is: people "out of all the languages" hear the good news (december 1, 2005 wt) .
and they state "eagerly embracing that commission, jehovah's witnesses are active in 235 lands, distributing literature in more than 400 languages.
a recurring theme with jehovah's witnesses is pride in statistics; the volume of literature they place, the number of lands where their version of the good news is preached, their growth, and the number of translations available.
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Aren't the 7th Day Adventists, who number about 13 million, getting 1 million new converts each year?
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The LETTER Posted at all Kingdom Halls
by Apostate Kate in.
i know someone here must know about the letter and there is a thread somewhere.
can someone link me to that thread either in pm or here on the new letter posted in all the kingdom halls about them admitting they are not inspired etc ... thank you!
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The book 'Captives of a Concept' makes the excellent point that there is no such thing as an uninspired prophet. The Society has said on a number of occasions that it has acted as a modern day prophet, yet it claims it was never inspired! Go figure. They can't have it both ways LOL.
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What was "it" that opened your eyes?
by jiggulz inlike so many people, i'm (very carefully)trying to convey the obvious "truth" about the wtb&ts to some of the members of my family.
is there any key point that "stands out" in your memory as pivotal in the opening of your eyes?
or any particular point that may have opened the eyes of your loved ones?
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The 'this generation' change of understanding in 1995 + when I saw the accompanying change in the box on the inside cover of the Awake describing it's purpose. I thought; "WTF! Hold on a minute, this meets the definition of a false prophecy according to Deut 18...it was just speculation the whole time after all....if they could get this so wrong then I wonder what else they have got wrong...I wonder if the whole 1914 teaching is wrong too?".And then the NGO thing really did it for me, especially the fact that they wrote entire Awake articles centred around certain UN anniversaries and events and evidently submitted those articles to the DPI.
I walked away with my head held up.