Posts by yaddayadda

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April 1, 2007 Craptower---All About Obeying 'The Slave'

by Mary in

i've just been looking through the latest garbage literature in the above mentioned wt.

both study articles are on obeying the governing body, although the second article is more on obeying the elders.

losing your grip there a little bit fellows?

yaddayadda

This is a high mind-control article with the sole purpose of reinforcing mental submission (bondage) to the GB and loyalty to the organisation.

Their entire reasoning rests on the completely fallacious 1914-1918 creed. It is nothing but a tissue of lies to be dismissed out of hand.

The GB really show how utterly spiritually drunk and puffed up they are with these kinds of shamelessly self-aggrandizing articles.

Moses' striking the rock and claiming he was provided the water for the people is nothing compared to the arrogance of the 'superfine' apostles at the Watchtower Society (2 Cor 11:5).

"Whoever exalts himself will be humbled..." - Matt 23:12

It is undeniable that more and more JW's are feeling uncomfortable that so many years have elapsed since 1914 and are quietly suspecting that something must be wrong. Particularly those who found the 1995 'generation' change of understanding hard to swallow. The Society would probably like to focus less and less on the 1914 date, but this article aptly demonstrates that without the 1914 myth they have no authority and cannot claim such total submission. The WTS has no choice but to keep harking back to their dusty old chronological fantasies because their entire authority as the Christ appointed 'faithful slave' rests on it.

They can only keep painting themselves into a corner for so long.

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Revived beast sick of Unipolar Babylon the Great

by proplog2 in

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today putin accused the united states of making the world a more dangerous place by pursuing policies aimed at making it "one single master".

attacking the concept of a "unipolar" world in which the united states was the sole superpower, he said: "what is a unipolar world?

no matter how we beautify this term it means one single centre of power, one single centre of force and one single master.".

yaddayadda

You make the error of your time-spans being too short. You're ignoring China. China will without a doubt be a new 'Northern' superpower...this eventuality is only 20 or 30 years away.

Russia will not be a 'revived' king of the North acting alone. It will combine with China to create a brand new king of the north. The final 'beast' will be a Russian/Chinese combine. They are ideology aligned and both regimes are atheistic. This will be the anti-Christian (atheistic) 'beast' foretold in bible prophecy.

A future Chinese/Russian (King of the North) combined worldsuperpower will be what topples the Anglo/American world power (King of the South). The third world war will be between these two opposed geopolitical ideologies. But it is still quite a few years away.

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10 lies you have to believe in, to be in the "truth"

by pallemar in

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well i likeked the headline ;) he he .

so hov manny lies, can we find, you have to believe in, to be in jehovas witness ?.

i will start with the first one.. 1. you must not believe the humand race is older than 6000 years!.

yaddayadda

That Jesus is returning to kill humankind, not save it.

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Show Appreciation for Gods Revelations

by Rooster in

showappreciationforgodsrevelations.

1 through the revelations recorded in his word, jehovah has helped us to become better acquainted with him and many of his purposes.

what a great aid thewatchtower has been to us in understanding jehovahs revelations!

yaddayadda

"In view of what we have learned, we are not anxious about what the future holds, as people of the world are."

Yea right! JW's envisage a global holocaust at God's hands where 99% of the planet's population is slaughtered. The only way to avoid this is to spend the rest of your life attending 5 really boring meetings a week and spend your weekends offering cult religious magazines to people who would rather slam the door in your face.

Nope, JW's aren't ANXIOUS at all!!!

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Where do you THINK the WT will be in 20 years? (Not what you hope)

by UnConfused in

do you think growth will have stopped?

do you think membership will be up or down?

do you think financially they will be in trouble?

yaddayadda

It will be the same as it is now but there will be a general contraction/rationalisation of operations. The organisaton will just a bit smaller and a bit more more dumbed down than it already is.

There will be some relatively small changes of interpretation (new light) but nothing major. Speculative creeds tied up with the 1914 chronology (such as in the Jan 1, 2007 Watchtower) will simply be mentioned less and less (embarassment minimisation mode). Otherwise it will be the same old stuff ad nauseum.

There will be a fair bit of organisational/administrative tinkering, mainly derived from a need to cut costs and make life a bit easier for the elders. Egs, the Watchtower will only be issued monthly (ala the Awake); the bookstudy will be moved to a Saturday morning; pioneer hours may be reduced even more; the number of assemblies per year may be reduced or the number of days for each assembly reduced further.

Things will pretty much just carry on as usual but in ever decreasing circles.....yawn

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January 1 WT Contradicts Itself!

by V in

compare these two quotes from the january 1, 2007 watchtower page 30 and 31:.

"the first resurrection"--now under way!

(page 30, para 18).

yaddayadda

Its not a contradiction. The GT, which is an indeterminate length of time (some assert that Revelation suggests 3.5 to 7 years) precedes Armageddon. Armageddon is the 'climax' of the GT. So all the WT is saying is that some of the anointed will still be 'alive on the earth' during the GT, but it is not known whether they will still be alive when Armageddon starts.

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New Light at DC?

by zack in

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the gb will announce in a series of talks in two symsposiums that:.

all anointed will die and depart the earthly scene before armageddon.. the resurrected anointed will aid christ in directing all his belongings from heaven.. christ said "i will be with you until the conclusion of the systems of things" and he has done so invisibly; and shortly.

shall come the time for his co-rulers to be gathered to him to rule (just as christ has) invisibly.

yaddayadda

WT: "A key to understanding the vision is this: Jehovah’s great spiritual temple represents his arrangement for pure worship."

Notice how they try to put an organisational (arrangement) spin on it.

Ephesians 2: 19-22 says explicitly what the 'spiritual temple' is. It is all spirit-begotten Christians - nothing more, nothing less. It's individuals, not any 'arrangement'.

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Justifying Gods Organization Against All The Facts

by The wanderer in

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justifying gods organization against all the factsregardless of how many facts a person has standing against .

the watchtower society it is still gods organization.

eyes that cannot see, ears that cannot hearmy friend knows of the watchtowers involvement with .

yaddayadda

Avidbiblereader said: "Hows come it when ever the Society is exposing someone it is for everyones benefit to get out of them but not them, why is it that no one else can be imperfect except them? The measuring stick they have used on others will be used on them according to the JUDGE Christ."

The above logic is perhaps the best and most powerful way to deal with persons like that. Persons who insist that it is still God's organisation no matter how many faults, hypocrisy, etc, you point out to them are susceptible to the above argument. Why should not severely judge persons belonging to other Christian religions, because equally, they are also imperfect and perhaps just 'made a mistake'. The JW defender can only defend against this by resorting to distinguishing 'true' religion from 'false' religion by means of subjective degrees/scales of doctrinal 'truth', measuring one set of doctrines against another. The way to refute that defense is to then point out that there are quite a few other religions and many thousands of worshippers who teach very similar doctrines as JW's (The Bible Students, Christadelphians, Herbert Armstrong derived groups, SDA's, Biblical Unitarians, etc). So why are all these other groups rejected by God when they have the same 'framework' of doctrinal truth as JW's? The JW apologist can then be helped to be more reasonable about assessing their own religion in contrast to others.

The thing is, you cannot prove that JW's are NOT the true religion. You can only prove that ALL religions are teaching falsehoods in various degrees, and they all have hypocritical religious leaders, legalism, etc, and therefore NONE of them can logically be the single, one, true religion. Getting the loyal JW to see that God and Christ are more interested in what is in a persons heart is more important than adherence to a set of creeds does a lot more to break down their defences than arguing over specific issues.

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Shunned by the congregation for not performing

by truthseeker in

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as many of you know, i am a witness who still attends for the sake of my wife.

my meeting attendance has dropped to about 50% and i make maybe 1 hour a month in field service, although i report more than this to keep the elder's off my back.. after several months of this, the result has been noticeable.. those who used to be friendly and greet me no longer do so.

some even avoid me.

yaddayadda

Its pretty obvious that JW's are not fulfilling John 13:35. As long as you are still a baptized JW, you should be shown love, no matter how irregular you are in meeting attendance, etc. They imagine they are fulfilling John 13:35 through going door to door. Hardly. They totally miss the point. They do not show love to the 'weaker' ones amongst their own and do not show any genuine love for those in the world either. Compared with Jesus great pity and concern for the downtrodden, ostracised, poor, sinful, etc, JW's abysmally fail to follow in Christ's footsteps.

It really is just a completely performance based religion. There is practically no difference to how JW's treat each other and how employees of a sales company would treat each other (field service = door to door sales; meetings = team building meetings/pep talks; answering up = enthusiastic comments to other employees at team meetings/pep talks). The more you perform and brown-nose the more popular you are and the more you rise up the ranks and get 'rewarded' by management. There's no difference.

The 'publishers' are not so much Christians as Watchtowerites. They are little sales reps for the Watchtower Society. That's all. They've been collared by a religious publishing house to do their sales work.

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Is Faith Dangerous? A Question for Believers...

by AllTimeJeff in

i hope this will be as respectful a debate as possible.

here is the premise: many of us (most) seem to be ex jw's on this board.

that means, whatever your motivation, for a time you bought into the theology of jw to one degree or another.

yaddayadda

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