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  Richard Dawkins Gets "Expelled" by Ben Stein!

  by Perry in

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  i just got back from seeing the new movie release "expelled" which is a documentary exposing the militant culture of supression regarding intelligent design in the scientific community.

  in a "million years", i never would have imagined that ben stein could get the author of "the god delusion", richard dawkins to speak favorably about i.d.

  (intellignet design).

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  Refutation of Ben Stein
  
  Lightning strike in a mud puddle......wow!
  
  Cheers
  
  Borgia
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  Re: Announcement on 27th April

  by The Lone Ranger in

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  i hope you guys are right about the book study being removed, .

  i already told a few jws and they are shocked, i even told 2 elders, they are both surprised and one of them dont believe me he thinks its regarding the field service, maybe a special tract.

  i wanted to show off and be a real "know it all" hahah.

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  Tell tales can be used for a purpose, though......
  
  My wife said, when I mentioned it to her, she felt it to be unreasonable that we as apo's had a better rumour machine and did know earlier than she did. This is all jealousy of course.....But she most definitely liked the idea...it would save her a lost evening.....my son cheered.....interesting isn't it....
  
  The letter will probably say something about a loving provision ( see how reasonable we are) to take the busy schedules of the working class into account.....24 hours economy, making ends meet...but....it would be nice if you could take some time out to go into the field circus( bible text) ......something like that.
  
  Cheers
  
  Borgia
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  Apostate Dilemma

  by Princess Daisy Boo in

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  2. friends

  oh, sit tight... i need to tell you a bit of background first.... oh, about 12/13 years ago, when i was still in, i became friends with a little crowd of dubs that were new to our area and cong.

  they were quite a liberal bunch - certainly the most liberal i had ever come across and although they were striving for priviledges etc, they got up to a lot of naughty sh!t and definitly committed dfable offences.

  well i wasn't exactly innocent either... i was just relieved to have come accross likeminded friends that my parents wouldn't get on my case about.

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  Overboard: goldy Hawn movie.
  
  cheers
  
  Borgia
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  What kind of apostate are you? Take the quiz

  by truthseeker in

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  2. friends

  answer the following questions to find out how apostate you are.

  only one answer the question is allowed.

  1) what is your jw status.

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  Well, I'm on the brink really. 79 points. That would make me either: a hard core apostate or the son of destruction.....Well....I think I need to contemplate on that one a bit more....
  
  Cheers
  
  Borgia
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  Local needs: 40% of the congregation are irregular at meetings

  by truthseeker in

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  well, our local needs talk was a bit out of the ordinary - normally it's something mundane like improving bible studies.. after harping on about the good things the congregation is doing, we got to the meat.. there are 100 publishers in the cong - 40% of them are irregular meeting attenders.. the elder said that those who are irregular at meetings are also irregular on field service.. he also said the elders would continue to shepherd these ones, yet most of us never get as shepherding call.. he said that those who've lost their joy feel this way because they don't fellowship often enough and lack appreciation for sacred things.. there are those who are liberal, manifest an independent spirit and have worldly associations.. he even said that those who need to hear this counsel are those who are missing.. .

  oh well.

  i suppose it's good news..

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  I recall the BS to be the particular meeting to have the lowest attendance. By shuffling the BS into the TMS/SM meeting which has a slightly higher attendance rate the effects are obvious. Next year we will read something to the effect of Jehovah has blessed the new arrangement because the attendance at the BS is up! Continue to zealously.....yeah...whatever.
  
  Cheers
  
  Borgia
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  700 million babies to be slaughtered

  by hamsterbait in

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  2. friends

  the world population increases by 70 million each year.. this means that on the day armageddon strikes, at least 700 000 000 babies under the age of 10 wil be slaughtered.. 192 000 of these will be less than 24 hours old, many of them killed with their head barely hanging out of their mothers vagina.. how can the witlesses love a god that would do this - even long for it??.

  it strikes me that for the witlesses morality is entirely relative.. i well remember the kingdumb song: "some paint god cruel" (wt does!!!).

  hb.

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  funny, they would quote 1 Cor 7:14. This is about a Christian being married to one who is not and the couple has kids. Normally these kids would have been regarded as filth.....by Paul et all. Thank goodness for the loving provision of babtism............for young kids.......
  
  I had a discussion about Gods cruelty the other day with one of the priests from our local temple. He said something to the effect that our outlook after death, of being in a sleep like state instead of burning in a place of torment, was consistent with a loving God. But when it came to this kind of thing the answer was: trust, faith, la la la.
  
  The thing is: the God of the Bible has already shown in his flood myth to be totally inconsiderate of whether or not a child is under or over age 10. However, he has shown in later periods to be particularly picky about the sex the child had and whether or not it has had sex.......
  
  Sure, this is consistent with a loving God....The guy did not have an answer. He just picked an argument where he thinks his idears are supported. The rest of the body of evidence are conveniently left out of consideration.....How happy these JW's must be....
  
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  OVSE

  by Borgia in

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  2. friends

  justia themis made a few comments in the re: why jehovah witnesses teach a more biblical faith thread, of probably a trolling trolon, about the ovse.

  just to correct a few things.

  the warshaw pact was the counter to nato and dissolved.

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  Justia Themis made a few comments in the Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses teach a more biblical faith thread, of probably a trolling trolon, about the OVSE.
  
  Just to correct a few things. The Warshaw pact was the counter to NATO and dissolved. OSCE is an organisation that has nothing to do with Warshaw pact but was founded in 1973 during the cold war as a means to enhance peace talks and cooperation within a divided Europe. Warshaw pact is a military pact, so it would have been quite curious if the JW's had been a member.......
  
  Justia also relates of an OW issue with the following closing line:
  Whatever success or failure the OSCE may realize, peace lovers everywhere can be assured that true peace and security will soon be realized earth wide under the rule of God’s Kingdom.—Psalm 72:1, 7, 8.
  (this was 11 years ago)
  
  No compare that to the closing lines of the statement made by the European association of JW during the religious freedom meeting in 2006 as contained in this pdf:pdf on page 2. There are talking from both sides of their mouth.
  
  Cheers
  
  Borgia
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  Red Sea Chariot Wheels?

  by MissingLink in

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  hey guys.

  there is an email making the jw (and other christians) rounds right now that is basically a copy of this article.

  that claims that artifacts found in the red sea prove that egypt's army was wiped out when moses and friends crossed.. is this true, or a hoax?.

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  Ron Wyat claims to have found it not in the western arm of the red sea but in the eastern arm of the red sea about half way up on the western shore there is a kind of plain heading into the red sea at the end of a wadi. He also claims to have some some pillars with inscriptions saying this to be the site of the crossing of the red sea as described in the exodus account. It would place the dwelling of 40 years on the arabian peninsula where arabians claims djebel musa etc.
  
  His claims are quite extraordinary and he does not support his claims with extraordinary evidence.
  
  He also claims to have solved the time frame of the exodus and Moses stay in Egypt.
  
  Funny reads though.
  
  Cheers
  
  Borgia
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  PROVE you are a conscious being

  by journey-on in

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  2. bible

  what words would you use?

  what descriptions about your existence would you make to prove you are conscious?

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  journey-on,
  
  Adam and Eve were conscious beings...right? but were un- conscious about their nakedness until they ate a certain type of died-out fruit. If I have to go with the Genesis fable, that is.
  
  Is a dolphin a conscious being? A dog? A goldfish? An ant?
  
  I would very much like you to define what a conscious being is and then we'll see what happens...
  
  Cheers
  
  Borgia
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  Memorial: Loaded language used to guilt inactive treading on Christ'

  by truthseeker in

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  oops!

  accidentally clicked the post button before i finished the title.. well, just got back from the memorial.

  the numbers were a third down for the second time in a row.

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  Truthseeker,
  
  I've heared that one before. This is based on Hebr 10:25,26 where the rendering of epi - sunagogai gives a regular religious meeting in the context of trampeling on Christs sacrifice. IMO, this text has nothing to do with sunagogai, being a regular meeting, given the fact that it contrasts a visit to the temple to make atonement for sins with the word: epi - sunagogai, being THE top level meeting. Hence, in Christian perspective, eucharist = weekly meeting. In terms of the JW perspective, a yearly endeavour.
  
  Cheers
  
  Borgia