Posts by Borgia

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Bad press is putting the Watchtower org. in a defensive mode

by koolaid-man in

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the squeaky clean image of the jehovah's witnesses as of late is becoming tarnished.

the news media is reporting many stories connecting the jehovah's witnesses to horrific, terrible crimes, as well as other odd behavior in their religion.

the recent murder and cannibalism of a young baby in texas as reported by the media suggested that the mother, who was the alleged murderer, was a jehovah's witness.the breaking story of phillip and nancy garrido in antioch california and the evil act of kidnapping a young girl and keeping her a prisoner in their back yard as well as his raping and having two children by her is extreme evil.

Borgia

Angel Eyes,

Ah yes, the protective parent ploy. Wether or not there is mal intent ... which is very difficult to proof since we do not have the documantary trail to back such an assertion up .... the least we can say they, despite perhaps an alleged well intent, which is not been proven either for the same reason, they are stupid. They would fight to the death in order not to hand over any docs that could protect victims of child abuse.They would fight to the death anyone who ever challenged them on their bad policies. Of course they abhor child abuse ..... but their works show different.

O, and what happened to Peter Mosier with his site: quotes? Their reasoning was completely wrong. Unfortunately, mr. Mosiers pockets were not as deep as the WBTS's. It was not about copyright infringement. It was about a logical approach in demonstrating how embarressing their own dogma's are. And they affirmed that in court!

If they were that protective: I wonder why their so famous charitable works are blinding for absence.....

Cheers

Borgia

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Witness Bible altered text Genisis 3:6 to show the "Tree of knowlege" had no "magical powers' Cover up! Shock!

by Witness 007 in

my eyes fell out of my head when i found this....i always thought the tree of knowlege had "magic powers" but the watchtower said no, no it's just symbolic.. this is how the verse reads in the nwt bible.

gen 3:6 "the woman saw that the tree was good for food and it was something to be longed for to the eyes, the tree was desirable to look upon......." {repeats the same verse twice!}.

check out the nwt footnote study version.

Borgia

So, when they ate they saw themselves as they really were, as the gods saw them: naked. And that was bad. That's why they sewed figleaves together for covering which was good. The gods did even better and dressed them up in fur. ......

..... connecting the dots: Adam and Eve were hairy mf's. When they ate the fruit, their hair fell out. Leaving them with naked skin. That was bad. So the gods clothed them with fur to give them that deary hairy feeling again ..... (don't mess with the Zohan)

I now understand the controversy: bald or bale, shaven or not. .....

Cheers

Borgia

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THE WITCHTOWER 09/2009: The "Shulammite remnant" exposed

by processor in

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the september 2009 issue of the witchtower is available for download now.. .

the shulammite remnant exposed: the shulammite rejected king solomon - what does that tell us about the relationship between the shulammite remnant and the greater solomon?.

bacteria and parasites glorify jehovah: germs are part of jehovahs works of creation and are wonderfully made.

Borgia

Gute Unterhaltung, Processor. Well done, indeed.

Cheers

Borgia

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My Reservations About Calling the Garridos JWs

by undercover in

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this thread contains my thoughts after having read several other threads regarding the garridos being jws.... just because it is reported that the garridos are jws doesn't mean that they are really witnesses.... they may have some link to jws such as her being rasied one, his studying while in prison or any number of possibilites where they came to know a little about jwism.. even if they were baptized along the way somewhere doesn't mean that they were active, participating members in the local congregation.. there's a lot wrong with the jw religion and it's policies have helped protect pedophiles and other sexual predators from being brought to justice but i have reservations about shouting from the rooftops that the garridos were jws, when 1) it hasn't been confirmed and 2) it really doesn't do anything to expose the wt society's culpability in covering up sexual abuse.. the garridos are truly whacked.

i'm sure that local jws are just as horrified at what's happened as the average person is.

if the garridos had any connection with a local hall, i bet that the local jws were wary of them due to his nuttiness.

Borgia

I agree with undercover here. BUT .....

Of course there's always a but ......

......... LAW and MEDIA / Public Image are not running along the same lines. Whereas LAW requires innocence untill proven guilty, Public Image will sniff the smell and call it stink.

By distancing early in the process, an organisation like the WBTS can save and even enhance it's public image. Take the Jesus Cano Case. This man not even been in a court of law before the WBTS decisively and pre emptively DF-ed this man to save public image. His remorse, if he had any, was of no consequence to the WBTS action.

In this case: No comment/ announcement/ press release has been issued by the local cong or the WBTS. Ofcourse, any legal rammification has to be considered before making a public statement, but the silence is deafening.

Cheers

Borgia

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Phone call to Watchtower concerning California kidnapping case and possible Witness connection

by the research lady in

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earlier this week, geraldo rivera appeared on the nbc today show and stated that nancy garrido, was one of jehovah's witnesses.

nancy, along with her husband phillip are both being charged in el dorado county california with multiple counts of rape, forcible lewd acts on a child and kidnapping for sexual purposes.

each were also charged with more than a dozen special allegations that could bring them the death penalty if convicted.

Borgia

Had he been a JW in good standing ..... the elders have to shamefully admit they did not do their job to which they are appointed.

Had he been an inactive JW .... again, the elders have to shamefully admit they did not do their job to which they are appointed

I really have to wonder why there is no simple short announcement to the public by the local cong to deny he was a JW. ..... This silence is very damaging to the image of the "Christian Congregation" ...

- politically completely insensitive

- the man was in effect a JW but they too screwed up

- the man has never been a JW and they (teleprompted by the legal desk) think it will pass overhead (BTW are there any JW going out in the fieldcircus in that town these days?)

- any other options?

But looking at it from a cool analyzing perspective: me thinks Antioch is a very good place to fade.

Cheers

Borgia

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WHY DO YOU EXJW'S BASH THE WTS ALL THE TIME...

by vilot in

because it's fun....

Borgia

WBTS is constantly bashing ex jws .....

Eye for an eye as they say ......

But really:

Because it is fun.....

Because we are hungry....

Because they are a pest ....

Because we are good at it .....

and eh.....

Because they deserve it.....

Cheers

Borgia

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Was pastor Russell right about ANYTHING?

by bohm in

hey!.

pastor russell was wrong about a lot of things - one could make a really long list from any 10 random pages from the finished mystery.

but for fun i want to turn it around, so my question is this:.

Borgia

When he said the end would come in 1916 he was right ..... HE died ...

Cheers

Borgia

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On Looking For Work In This Economy

by Tired of the Hypocrisy in

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wow, i have had my degree for just over a year now.

i have been working closely with a career counselor for the past 6 months and have submitted lots of applications and resumes to dozens and dozens of companies for a long list of potential positions i would like to have.

i worked hard as an almost 50 fading jw to get my college education and since i can no longer climb poles in windy-sub-zero-weather to fix people's cable i locked myself into network administration.

Borgia

Quite ironic, Tired, if you look at this from acertain angle: you working at the IRS..... a non-constitutional entity ... forcing people to pay a non constitutional tax.....and now you are groomed to put out the first forest fires when people call....

Nevertheless ... I wish you a lot of fun with it. Hope you will enjoy yourself and is the starting point of a good career.

Cheers

Borgia

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Upcoming Study with a Bethel Brother

by PSacramento in

so, after a lengthy discussion with my mom on friday, she asked me ( again) to have a study with a bethel brother because the question i ask are too "above" her knowledge and she feels that only a well trained bethel brother can show me the "truth".. i voiced to her my issue:.

i love my mother, father and sister that are jw's and the last thing i want is to lose them, we had already drifted apart because of their new found faith ( my mom was first, about 8 years ago, then my older sister and just recently, last july 4th, my dad), i told her that if i have these study with a bethel brother i will, most likely, sya thing and state sources that may get me brnaded as an "apostate", i asked her, to be honest and truthful with me and to tell me that, if i get branded that and they are told, suggest to them, to stop dealing with me, would they?.

she said that no organization tells her who to deal with, even more so in regards to family.. i was not convinced, nevertheless i agreed and this wednesday will have my first study with him, first topic the mwt, my issue with certain translations ( such as romans 10:13, colossians and so forth) and the name "jehovha".. .

Borgia

Nah... I would start by asking him if a human can strike a deal with God about salvation. That bethelite will probably say: No you can't. Ask him why. and he will tell you. Then read Genesis 18 and 19. Here you have Abraham striking a deal about salvation with God. he gets 1 80% discount and God settles for 10 righteous people in 2 cities.If Abraham could strike a deal with God that perhaps 1% or less righteous were sufficient to have God abandon his devinely conceived plan ....How the more so now the greater pleader is here: Jesus (compare Hebr 10 about sinningon purpose and crucifying Jesus again)

Discuss the proposed rape of the Lot's daughters. They must have some ugly mo*th*rf*ck*rs because they'd rather have a go on them angels than those nice dames. Now would this bethelite offer up his wife for a nice gang bang? (same story is in judges where the wife of a priest is gang banged)

So finally, Lot is alone with his daughters. Ah yes, his wife became a pillar of salt for looking over her shoulder.(Sounds like God hates witnesses to such "Endlösung"-en. In the grotto, they drowse him with wine and f*ck the shit out of him untill both are pregnant .... What kind of a story is that in the wake of the total annihilation of every man, woman and above all child irrespective of age because FOR reasons of promiscuity. And here we have GOd allowing his faithful servant LOT to be raped by his daughters?(quite ironic is it not. no good deed goes unpunished)

With thanks to Dave Hittman.

Cheers

Borgia

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A question for the faders on here

by JWinprotest in

the other day our meeting was cancelled and we didn't even get a call from the elders to advise us.

i take that as a sign that our fade is working.

the next step i would like to implement is not turning in a field service report.

Borgia

I just turned in 0 on the slip. When the sec inquired about it: I said - Can I see it? He showed me and I said: Yep...that's right, thank you. Gave the slip back to him and turned away. He looked quite unhappy...

But never had any comments.

Cheers

Borgia