Posts by Borgia

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Arbecht Macht Frei

by sinis in

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funny how this saying, by the masters of propaganda 70+ years ago prevails in jw culture and in life in general!!!

the jw montra is work, work, work for jehober and you will (maybe) attain perfection in paradise, where you will need to work, work, work, and work some more just to maintain your keep.

the world in general uses this as a carrot to keep us sheeple on the treadmill of taxes and death....

As for Symbols: In my view, symbols are given meaning and therefore power by people. The swastica cross is not original national socialistic but in western culture considered a good luck charm. Talk about perversion. The same with the eagle. Many countries have eagles as an emblem in some shape or form. The iron cross was a reward for outstanding service originally desinged for the Prussian army and later became the sign of the BundesWehr after world war II.

This brings the question to the forefront about who decides on what basis to deny the use of a symbol?

But to be fair: works makes free is exactly what the Watchtower is all about: see July KM.

Cheers

Borgia

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My Wedding Photos are. . .

by leavingwt in

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chock full of jehovah's witnesses.

with the exception of my wife and my best man, they're all jws.

jws who probably despise me.

Borgia

LWT,

Congrats, on your anniversary; the both of you!

I watched the video of my wedding some weeks ago and saw a very very young man basically on the eve of getting out; a man who was unaware of the vicissitudes of seasons. Most of the people in the video have no longer any meaning in my life safe one or two. And when I imagine their current life, they live it like they've always have: in the mindnumbing comfort of the weekly repetition giving up their freedoms for a false sense of security.

Glad you are out and enjoying life!

Cheers

Borgia

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Scandal...

by James4Tea in

i posted this yesterday on a similar forum, but it was deleted despite there being nothing wrong with it.

indeed, the scandal is one that i, myself, suffered.

good afternoon from london.... .

Borgia

James4tea went out for teabags but instead met a douchebag .... clearly not his cup of tea.

Cheers

Borgia

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Should the GB be charged with crimes against humanity?

by punkofnice in

i get really angry when i think of how the gb have callously allowed lives to be ruined.

protected child molesters.

caused deaths because of a weird blood doctrine.

Borgia

Losthobbit, you wrote

An athiest is bound by the law.

A religious person is bound by the law and their religion.

So it seems that a religion doesn't have any special rights (athiests have more rights than religions)

I would concur that in reality it should be the case. But in actuality it is not. It is the religionists of this world who would very much like atheist like us to accomodate their dictatorship over all our choices. The concept of liberty and a free conscience is completely lost on the vast majority of them (still). Untill they re-discover' this precious item, they will continu to force their worldview down people throats, with all consequences.

As for ontopic:

Although I think that religion in general debases the value of humanity, I don't think it will stand in court to accuse the GB of crimes against humanity.

"are particularly odious offences in that they constitute a serious attack on human dignity or grave humiliation or a degradation of one or more human beings. They are not isolated or sporadic events, but are part either of a government policy (although the perpetrators need not identify themselves with this policy) or of a wide practice of atrocities tolerated or condoned by a government or a de facto authority. Murder; extermination; torture; rape; political, racial, or religious persecution and other inhumane acts reach the threshold of crimes against humanity only if they are part of a widespread or systematic practice. Isolated inhumane acts of this nature may constitute grave infringements of human rights, or depending on the circumstances, war crimes, but may fall short of falling into the category of crimes under discussion

So you have to come up with some evidence here ....

Besides: I'm not under the impression the US has already ratified the ICC treaty, if it ever comes that far. .... it's quite a sensitive issue a the moment given the US implication of many ... let's just say most unfortunate and lamentable actions ...

The ICC acting without a UN referral lacks the broad jurisdiction to prosecute crimes against humanity, and cannot prosecute many cases, particularly if they occur outside of ICC-member nations.

Ch eers

Borgia

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How would you respond to this JW apologist??

by Black Man in

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hey all - as some of you may know, i've been engaged in a pretty big debate with family members as well as internet acquaintances over whether the jw's are a cult.

thanks to everyone who have posted links to threads that have helped me in my dialogue with them - its actually working.

the latest is that one of the posters i've been dialoging and he says that agrees with me on many points but he brought up the following response and i ask (how would you respond to this) that i have posted below (by the way, the person he references as gq is me - its my username on that web site):.

Borgia

Typical moderate mumbo jumbo.

Cheers

Borgia

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 05-01-2011 WT Study (LAWLESNESS)

by blondie in

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do you hate lawlessness?.

can the elders enforce any laws since they cannot read hearts?

love one another.

Borgia

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why no practical tips for other “sufferers”?

Unquote

They made a very 'practical' tip: tell the elders, the 'most difficult' thing to do.

@Mary: Thanks for the song. It's got stuck in my head, now.

Cheers

Borgia

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"temporary enjoyment of sin?"....why does it have to be temporary??

by oompa in

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i just read this phrase on a thread about the 7-15 wt and how shunning of family is so important....it just made me laugh.....some sins feel so damm good....so why do they have to be temporary?.....i am starting a revolt....we need permanent enjoyment of sin!!!!!!

!.....hahah....see i made myself laugh....needed that......oompa.

Borgia

Balnea, vina, venus corrumpunt corpora nostra, sed vitam faciunt balnea, vina, venus.

baths, wine, sex corrupt our bodies, yet are the stuff life's made of.

Cheers

Borgia

Moses was mucho loco for chosing to dwell in desert with people whom were quite antipathetic towards him. Interestingly, he never did what made him happy, he just pursued a position ... his bloody loss. As for me: I'm loco muchisimo for sin.

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News: Recent warning from French President about certain practices of JWs.

by AndersonsInfo in

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here's the link in french.

below that is the link to the google translation.

can someone help with a better translation?http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/politique/le-classement-atypique-des-temoins-de-jehovah-par-l-ump_981061.html.

Borgia

Laisité ...this word is very important to understand the french actions ...

Cheers

Borgia

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Some people go to Amsterdam to Shmoke, some go to smoke people.....

by miseryloveselders in

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42508543/ns/world_news-europe/.

alphen aan den rijn, netherlands a gunman opened fire with a machine gun at a crowded shopping mall outside amsterdam on saturday, leaving at least seven people dead and wounding 15 others, officials and witnesses said.. the attacker was among the dead after fatally shooting himself at the ridderhof mall in alphen aan den rijn, mayor bas eenhoorn said.

the suburb is less than 15 miles (25 kilometers) southwest of amsterdam.. eenhoorn said that children were among the victims, but he could not confirm whether they were among the wounded or dead, or both.. "it's too terrible for words, a shock for us all," he said.. the gunman's identity was known and it was "all but certain" he acted alone, district attorney kitty nooy said, but investigators were not yet ready to release his name or age.

Borgia

Abaddon, that's legal gun ownership is vanishingly low.

Allegedly he has a history of illegal gun possession at age 17 but was granted 5 licences later on. The fact that the police do not know what type of gun it is is quite remarkable. It is something that can easily be verified, especially with the latests smart phones. AK-47 and it's derivates are quite well known even among the TV watching populace. THe shape and size are quite distinct. The same goes for the M-16/AR15. Uzi's are well known as well.

Carrying a gun in public is quite ... unusual. Guns are only allowed at the shooting range and storage is inspected and should be secure.

Terrible event. It will probably further limit the legal possession of guns because the politicians seem to think that if you outlaw guns, the public will feel safer forgetting that a gun needs a trigger happy finger.

Cheers

Borgia

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is getting a blood transfusion in itself a DF offense?

by oompa in

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i know if you join the military it is considered that you have dissassociated yourself...but if you are in an accident and are given blood when you are unconcious...is that in itself reason for df?

or what if you willingly accepted a blood transfusion?

what if you do not show remorse or repentance or even refuse to meet with the elders?

Borgia

Blondie wrote:

It wasn't untill the new elder manual came out that there was anything in writing making taking a blood transfusion a DA offense.

If I'm not mistaken, there was a bulgarian case. THe WBTS was pursuing legal recognition but was denied that status for reason of DF-ing people for taking a bloodtransfusion or a medical treatment that was on the forbidden list. Anyways, they cicumvented that by allowing for auto DA (sounds very much like autodafe). Since they consented to no longer DF people for that, they were granted legal status in Bulgaria. It was a case that was brought before the ECHR court, but I believe they never ruled on it since the "compromise" was struck.

Cheers

Borgia