http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
Zeroday,
My english grammar is a bit rusty here, but ...um, concerning that quote? What are they actually saying?
We, as witnesses of God, the Source of life,.........
Are they saying that they, as witnesses of God, are the scource of life?....? I mean, I could understand if they wished to convey the idea that God is the scource of life, but, the subject here is Gods witnesses with the property of being the scource of life?
Cheers
Borgia
in my more paranoiac moments, i wonder if the gb creates its myriad nitpicking rules in order to deliberately create a high turnover of jws.
the advantage to doing this would be to ease the way for "new light" doctrine.
the 1914 generation has passed; the generation after that is passing, and their memories are passing with them.
I saw a documentary about tankman the other day. What was of interest is that the current students of Bejing don´t have a clou who he is. They don´t even know it happened. They thought of the picture of the man standing in front of the tanks being an artfuly contrifed picture.
Compare that to the enourmous effort that takes a regular curious JW to find out about past JW history. .............keeps them occupied, no? So, parakeet, to a certain degree I think you have a point there.
Cheers
Borgia
for any who still attend meetings, .
do you still put donations in the contribution box?
if you do and don't have an issue with disclosing, how much each month?
From the congs I´ve been in, I know for certain, for I´ve seen the books, that there´s always the same people donating every month. If it were not for them, .............They are older now........some already have passed away, faded behind the veil.........
I have contributed only a couple of times in my entire life. Even as a zealous JW I felt that offering my time and energy to the work I was doing, was more than enough recompense for the "food" I received each month. Contrary to what Paul had written, I served as a warrior at my own expense.
Cheers
Borgia
with all the fanfare of the "divine deliverance at hand" convention, are the dubs still pushing the idea of the un banning all religion globally?
we've seen how powerless the un was with iraq and now with the situation in lebanon.
do they really still believe that the un will actually do this, or even have the power to suggest it for that matter?
I would not be surprised at all if they ´ll drop it all together. See the declaration of 2006. Although it looks like a resolve to remain virgin, the basic idea is: the Gt is near. we are clean. nothing is in there about wild beasts and the like.
It may turn out to come doen to, like some relatives of mine said:If it does not come true, at leat we lived moral lives.
Cheers
Borgia
the wts is fond of associating itself with great men of the bible claiming to be of this or that class (john class, isaiah class and so on).
they claim god given authority to keep his people clean and to make rules to cover situations not found in the bible.. pharisee rule not found in the law.. *** w96 9/1 12 the law before christ ***.
pharisee rule not found in the law.. *** w96 9/1 12 the law before christ ***.
I was reading the wiki entries on pharisees. I came across an interesting observation I would like to throw in here:
Quote: "Second, the Pharisees believed that there were two parts to the Torah. In addition to the part of the Torah recognized by the Sadducees, which both Sadducees and Pharisees believed was written by Moses, the Pharisees believed that there was another part to the Torah. They referred to the five books of Moses as the “Written Torah,” and the corpus of oral laws and traditions as the “Oral Torah,” because it was not written down but rather, starting with God, transmittted to Moses orally, memorized, and then passed down orally over the generations. In other words, they did not interpret the Written Torah liberally; rather, they asserted that the sacred scriptures were not complete and could therefore not be understood on their own terms. The Oral Torah functioned to elaborate and explicate what was written; it is unclear whether or not the Pharisees and later rabbis believed they were interpreting the Torah. The sages of the Talmud believed that the Oral law was simultaneously revealed to Moses at Sinai, and the product of debates among rabbis. Thus, one may conceive of the "Oral Torah" not as a fixed text but as an ongoing process of analysis and argument; this is an ongoing process in which God is actively involved; it was this ongoing process that was revealed at Sinai, and by participating in this ongoing process rabbis and their students are actively participating in God's ongoing revelation. That is, "revelation" is not a single act, and "Torah" is not a single or fixed text. It is this ongoing process of analysis and argument that is itself the substance of God's revelation." unquote
Sounds familiar?
Yes, time and again the WT has insisted that without the GB or FDS they so fervently represent, one cannot understand scripture. Present Truth and keeping the pace with Gods Org............
I rest my case....
Cheers
Borgia
so i'm still on a witnesses email list and i just got this gem in this morning..... .
i thought some of you might like to look at it.
(notice #7) .
Stage is set:
all the dubs are no part of HUMAN society. No association with OUTSIDERS through internet chat rooms. No involvement in social programmes.........
So, the only legal reason now to have contact with outsiders is via the preachingwork. other contacts are basically viewed in light of compromising bible principles. ..............yes............yes..........D....F......I......N....G ....o..f..f..e..n..c..e.
Nice one to read so once in a while and have a good laugh. This is a good one for standup comedians.
Cheers
Borgia
well blow me down.
i learned something new today about jw doctrine.
from page 79 of the "what does the bible really teach?
Here´s the most compelling biblical agument against disfellowshipping and shunning.
Cheers
Borgia
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ok.... just trying to find a better understanding here.... no stupid posts like, "...because it's the governing body.
" - please.. ok.... how do the witness justify the bible and at the same time condem catholicism et all.... i mean, the books in the bible were picked by the council of nicea - which according the the witnesses - were part of the great appostasy and sanctioned by the same group of religious leaders they condemn..
Basically, the protestant churches are all in some sort of predicament when it comes the the nicean creed, and all the councils prior and post up untill the reformation. They still have a hard time to uphold their notion of Sola Scriptura because they need to take the RCC traditions into account.
JW look very suspicious upon the churchfathers and the like. Before Nicea and post John, maybe, depending on the teachings a writer puts forward. If it is in accord with what JW are teaching, then it is fine. If no, it´s apostate material. Post nicea is hardly considered hardly worth the paper its written on.
With protestant writers the WT maintains a love/hate relationship. When it serves their interpretation they say: look even Luther or calvin said so or look, very very naughty boys.
The SI-book is an attempt to establish independently from Protestant and Catholic tradition a "reasonable" explanation why the books found currently in the (protestant & JW) bible are canonical. Try this one for size: list the reasons why the WT thinks of NT books to be inspired and worthy of receiving a place in the biblical canon. to add further to the joy, list the reasons why the bible is thought to be inspired. Then, apply these same reasons to apocrypha and see were you land. Then apply this to any book you like for instance: The bourne identity written by Robert Ludlum.
Cheers
Borgia
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ok.... just trying to find a better understanding here.... no stupid posts like, "...because it's the governing body.
" - please.. ok.... how do the witness justify the bible and at the same time condem catholicism et all.... i mean, the books in the bible were picked by the council of nicea - which according the the witnesses - were part of the great appostasy and sanctioned by the same group of religious leaders they condemn..
When Paul was discussing that all scripture is inspired he was not refering to the OT, his letters or any other NT witer´s letters. He mentioned that Timothy had known the scriptures from childhood. Considering that the WT says that Timo went with Paul in 50 CE when being in this 20-ties, he must have got to know the scriptures around 30-40CE. that singles any NT book out. So, Paul was referring to the OT. Not the NT as is being taught. Just to add some perspective.
Cheers
Borgia
how important is it for you to be certain about something before you act on it?
example: certain about the watchtower having the truth.
then certain that they don't have the truth.
In 2001 when the UN scandal hit the news, I did not pay much attention. I thought it to be another apostate scam. However, the basis for my believes have always been the bible and common sense. And I can tell you, common sense is winning terrain, big time. During the years prior to 2001, I had difficulty reconciling the interlinear translations with the NWT on certain parts.
