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  Circuit Overseer Visit

  by RichieRich in

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  this week, my congregation has the privilege of the visit from the circuit overseer.. my mother took a day off work to go out.

  i put in for extra hours.. in the off chance we get wrapped up in discussion, what should i say?.

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  freedomlover

  scully

  Ask him if Sister CO ever gave him a blow job. Or how often she puts out.

  LOL!! that's too great.....
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  Is it always ethical to try to help someone get out?

  by wanderlustguy in

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  is it ever better or ethical to let someone go on believing in the truth even though it is a lie?

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  CYP - I agree with all you said...

  I know people that have been in a VERY long time, they have just tuned it all out to keep their sanity

  this is something I have thought about my grandmother who is basically the reason EVERYONE in my family became a witness. She had a horrible life from day one, lost her mother at two, her father at 15, and then married an abusive alcoholic, lost a 15 year old son to a car accident, watched my grandfather slowly and painfully die, and now she is facing old age. I do think the JW teachings keep her somewhat sane. She has admitted flaws, but it's uncanny how her mind just snaps back to JW doctrine. I think it would be too painful for her, at this point in her life. but who knows.....not my choice to make for her.
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  WHY did you exit god and the bible when you exited the dubs?

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  not all that post here threw the bible and the bible god out the window when they exited the dubs, but many have.. for me personally, i never doubted god or the bibles authenticity untill years later when i began doing a re-search on the bible canon and how it was formed.

  from there, i began looking at the sceptics view of the bible and it's god which then changed my views.. i guess my question is, why did you ( those who disbelieved god/bible upon exiting the dubs)... throw god and the bible out the window before you had re-searched it enough to make you believe contrary?

  if all you really knew was that the wtbts was bunk, what made you feel the bible and it's god was bunk too?.

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  freedomlover

  Another way to look at it: Imagine a locked box that you're told contains a huge diamond. You shake the box now and then, and you hear it knocking about. You KNOW it's a diamond. Everyone around you says so. Your whole future is based on the fact that one day the box will open and you'll sell the diamond and live forever on the proceeds. Then one day you do an xray of the box and clearly see inside, not a diamond, but a horseshoe. You recall wondering why it seemed when you shook it that it sounded so oddly shaped. (It also becomes clear why you were always told NOT to xray it!) You realize your faith was misplaced and in virtually an instant, it's gone.

  Dave

  great example Dave.

  sometimes, I am shocked at how FAST everything came crashing down for me. I truly believe it's because somewhere in my head/gut I knew it wasn't right. just needed to open the damn box FINALLY and see the rusty horseshoe!
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  WHY did you exit god and the bible when you exited the dubs?

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  not all that post here threw the bible and the bible god out the window when they exited the dubs, but many have.. for me personally, i never doubted god or the bibles authenticity untill years later when i began doing a re-search on the bible canon and how it was formed.

  from there, i began looking at the sceptics view of the bible and it's god which then changed my views.. i guess my question is, why did you ( those who disbelieved god/bible upon exiting the dubs)... throw god and the bible out the window before you had re-searched it enough to make you believe contrary?

  if all you really knew was that the wtbts was bunk, what made you feel the bible and it's god was bunk too?.

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  freedomlover

  good question.

  at first I actually clung to the bible as my only way to find "the truth." the JW's might be false but I thought the bible would give me answers. then I started to read all kinds of translations and that helped me see what I always thought. I always had respect for the bible but to take it so literally was hard for me to accept at times as a JW. when I too started researching the history of how the bible came to be, that did it for me. I was done placing ultimate authority in some book that was supposed to be inspired by god. I do believe it's a good book, a powerful book, but there are many holy writings that should be considered.

  I don't even have a desire to ever read a bible again, but I still keep some around so I can answer any JWs that might question me in the future. I guess what happens when you feel so totally screwed by the JWs and the twisting of the bible it leaves a pretty bad taste in your mouth and you don't even want to look at it for awhile. as far as throwinging god out the window, I'm still out on that one. haven't totally decided. I do know I don't believe he's some loving entity anymore like the dubs taught. the more I read and learn the more I'm leaning towards no god. I'll let you know how that turns out.
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  5 minute guide to knowing if Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth

  by jwfacts in

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  i have just posted a new article at http://www.jwfacts.com/index_files/5min.htm that is copied below.

  can you please check it and make any suggestions?

  a few bits may not make total sense as they are links to other pages in the website.

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  freedomlover

  great read JWfacts. are you going to put that in the best of somewhere? I'd like to refer to it again. thanks - freedomlover
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  Life Insurance... in the event of one's death

  by sandy in

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  is it possible to find out if somebody has death insurance for another person?

  my grandmother is very ill and possibly dying and my uncle claims he lost the insurance policy a few months ago.

  does anybody know how to find this out, if it is true or not?

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  freedomlover

  does she have a will written up? if she does, any life insurance policies are listed in that usually, unless she had the policy taken out after she had a will drawn up. also, there has to be record of payment for premiums. can you check your grandma's checkbook?????

  tight spot you're in....
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  If you were God, would you want to be worshipped?

  by rebel8 in

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  if i was the god of the bible, i think my priorities would be to set the ground rules of life and manage the planet, ensuring life is good.

  i cannot envision any reason to desire worship.

  appreciation, yes.

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  freedomlover

  If I were god, I would find it quite a amusing for a little while to have humans want to worship me.

  me as god - "okay let's see what they come up with."

  humans - "oh great god, let us worship you!! you are great, almighty, generous, and kind!!"

  me as god - "yes, yes, yes, and yes."

  this same conversation goes on and on and on and on and on....you get the picture.

  honestly I'd get BORED after a little while of this.....

  I'd have to stir things up with things like satan and such and see how the little humans reacted to it. okay, maybe that's sick reasoning, but if I were "THE GOD" I'd probably like the worship thing a while and then have to move on......

  but me, being the human, would love to be worshipped!! selfish, greedy, humans would love to be worshipped, and I'm not ashamed to admit it! HA!

  come to me all you "need to worship" humans!
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  As the illusion fades, how do you deal with...

  by tall penguin in

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  the reality that life is suffering and sometimes it's just not fair.

  i know, i sound like a 5 year old here.

  and perhaps emotionally i am to some degree, having bought into the jw "new system" at the age of 5. .

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  jeeprube -

  Whiskey, whiskey, whiskey, beer, wine, whiskey

  lol, yeah. whiskey is quite helpful at times. and a good dark porter, or nice red, can do wonders for me.

  ha ha. gave me a good chuckle.
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  New year, new place, new life - ITIS and Freedomlover

  by freedomlover in

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  2. friends

  if you have followed our story you know we were moving out of state to start over and get away from tons of extended jw family.. we are officially moved.

  hundreds of miles away from our old life.

  as i write this, i feel numb, cold, and very raw.

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  freedomlover

  OUCH! thanks for the heads up on the belly-button thing Mis. - I always wear those low jeans anyway, so no worries there. I'm more worried about being able to hide during my visit home for my little brothers wedding. I can't wait to get my nose done!!

  yeah - a tattooed old lady....weird mental picture there!! oh well, I plan on living it up right until the last day, so hopefully my tatts will still be cool, at least to me, when I'm old! HA!
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  Mini Apostafest tommorrow!

  by RichieRich in

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  2. friends

  the poster generic man and myself will be meeting up tommorrow.. he lives about an hour and a half away from me, and will be making the drive to see me.

  no worries kids, i'll have my camera in hand to record all events.

  and you all will be the first to hear how it went..

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  freedomlover

  Richie you have a PM............

  Man, Honesty is doing one kind of close to us also.....

  we're going to have to do one by us soon, we're kind of in the middle of both of these get togethers!

  I want to see some pics!!